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Yeah, I know I've said LBJ is a better player than Jordan. But I've never contested the fact that Jordan was more dominant and more accomplished.

That being said, what's being said and recorded after the Lakers won last night is just absurd. There's a huge "LBJ is actually the GOAT" movement in sports media after he improved from 3-9 to 4-10. I don't get it - if you weren't sold on LBJ as GOAT when he was 3-9, what does moving to 4-10 mean? It's astounding.

Think about the argument:

Yeah, I know Jordan won six rings, but now that LBJ won his fourth, I'm starting to think he's more of a GOAT than MJ.

If you're going to make a case that LBJ has something over MJ - as I have done - you'll have to do better than a 4 is better than 6 premise.

2012 -- Lockout, 66 game season
2013 - Lebron bailed out by Ray Allen shot
2016 - Draymond nut punch suspension
2020 - Bubble title

FrankDrebin wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

ESPN is really going for it.

https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now

Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him?

I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him.

I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids.

Jbi11s wrote:

FrankDrebin wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him?

I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him.

I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids.

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

FrankDrebin wrote:

Jbi11s wrote:

Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him?

I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him.

I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids.

James has won a fourth NBA title with a third different franchise. Not just any franchise, but with the Lakers. This accomplishment makes James’ connection to NBA history deeper than Jordan’s.

In leading the Lakers to a 17th title, James became the franchise’s latest link of greatness. Reconnecting the Lakers to a grand legacy outweighs the individual accomplishment of what he did with the Miami Heat and Cavaliers and, for that matter, what Jordan accomplished with the Chicago Bulls.

Perhaps because leadership and courage from one generation to the next has been crucial to Black survival in the United States, I put more weight on James becoming part of the Lakers’ long chain of success.

I was listening to sports headlines today and the NBA championship was third in line behind Week 5 of the NFL and the AL playoffs game 1.

Lebron is like the anti Jordan. The league has become less popular during his run.

he had a relatively easy road to a title by facing less than amazing competition in the last two rounds and the fact he still has less championships than Jordan despite MJ's 3 retirements.

good dolphin wrote:

You try making something more popular when you’re literally hunted every time you leave the house .

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

Bagels wrote:

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page.

Curious Hair wrote:

Bagels wrote:

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page.

He really does this??? :lol:

Bagels wrote:

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page.

Hawg Ass wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Bagels wrote:

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page.

He really does this??? :lol:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Bagels wrote:

he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page.

He really does this??? :lol:

veganfan21 wrote:

Lebron has 4* and Jordan has 6.

Maybe it's a matter of taste. Do you prefer peak value or long-term near-peak consistency?

Author:	veganfan21 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:55 am ]
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Yeah, I know I've said LBJ is a better player than Jordan. But I've never contested the fact that Jordan was more dominant and more accomplished. That being said, what's being said and recorded after the Lakers won last night is just absurd. There's a huge "LBJ is actually the GOAT" movement in sports media after he improved from 3-6 to 4-6. I don't get it - if you weren't sold on LBJ as GOAT when he was 3-6, what does moving to 4-6 mean? It's astounding. Think about the argument: Yeah, I know Jordan won six rings, but now that LBJ won his fourth, I'm starting to think he's more of a GOAT than MJ. If you're going to make a case that LBJ has something over MJ - as I have done - you'll have to do better than a 4 is better than 6 premise.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:58 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote: Yeah, I know I've said LBJ is a better player than Jordan. But I've never contested the fact that Jordan was more dominant and more accomplished. That being said, what's being said and recorded after the Lakers won last night is just absurd. There's a huge "LBJ is actually the GOAT" movement in sports media after he improved from 3-9 to 4-10. I don't get it - if you weren't sold on LBJ as GOAT when he was 3-9, what does moving to 4-10 mean? It's astounding. Think about the argument: Yeah, I know Jordan won six rings, but now that LBJ won his fourth, I'm starting to think he's more of a GOAT than MJ. If you're going to make a case that LBJ has something over MJ - as I have done - you'll have to do better than a 4 is better than 6 premise. Lebron has 4* and Jordan has 6.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:08 am ]
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I said from the beginning that this farce the NBA put together was specifically designed to give Lebron another title as a response to the renewed fervor for Jordan caused by The Last Dance.

Author:	Hussra [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:23 am ]
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2012 -- Lockout, 66 game season 2013 - Lebron bailed out by Ray Allen shot 2016 - Draymond nut punch suspension 2020 - Bubble title

Author:	Seacrest [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:39 am ]
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Hussra wrote: 2012 -- Lockout, 66 game season 2013 - Lebron bailed out by Ray Allen shot 2016 - Draymond nut punch suspension 2020 - Bubble title And there you have it folks. GOAT

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Author:	Jbi11s [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:43 am ]
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ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now

Author:	FrankDrebin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:50 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him?

Author:	Brick [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:52 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now That looks like ESPN pushing an idea because they are scared with the horrendous nba bubble tv ratings will mean for them long term unless they bounce back.

Author:	pittmike [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:55 am ]
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If you are wondering what it is like to hear LBJ get a BJ tune into Bernsie right now. Sheesh. Top it off with a tip of the cap to the smart Adam Silver to get the bubble up and safe.

Author:	Jbi11s [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 am ]
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FrankDrebin wrote: Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him? I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him. I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids.

Author:	Powerhouse233 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:03 am ]
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I'm not sure why a bubble title pushes him to the top when you can make a very strong argument that he's not even the best player on his own team anymore, he had a relatively easy road to a title by facing less than amazing competition in the last two rounds and the fact he still has less championships than Jordan despite MJ's 3 retirements.

Author:	Bagels [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:04 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote: FrankDrebin wrote: Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him? I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him. I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids. he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart

Author:	Jbi11s [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:04 am ]
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For sure.

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:18 am ]
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FrankDrebin wrote: Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him?

Author:	veganfan21 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:58 pm ]
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Tell ya what, with Bill Gates' recent acquisition of Proctor and Gamble, which launched him to 2nd place on the list of most wealthiest men in America after Jeff Bezos, we can now place him in the conversation for richest man in the world

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Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:32 am ]
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Bagels wrote: Jbi11s wrote: FrankDrebin wrote: Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him? I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him. I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids. he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart Those nerd glasses instantly bestow 50 IQ points .

Author:	WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:55 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote: FrankDrebin wrote: Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now Is it wrong for me to wish a helicopter ride on him? I mean I don’t want him to die, but there are MANY annoying things about him. I’ll always have some respect for LBJ because he built that school in Akron for at risk kids. Lebron didn't build anything. It's a taxpayer funded school with Nike add-ons.

Author:	good dolphin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:56 am ]
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I was listening to sports headlines today and the NBA championship was third in line behind Week 5 of the NFL and the AL playoffs game 1. Lebron is like the anti Jordan. The league has become less popular during his run.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:03 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: I was listening to sports headlines today and the NBA championship was third in line behind Week 5 of the NFL and the AL playoffs game 1. Lebron is like the anti Jordan. The league has become less popular during his run. You try making something more popular when you’re literally hunted every time you leave the house .

Author:	Hussra [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:10 am ]
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Powerhouse233 wrote: he had a relatively easy road to a title by facing less than amazing competition in the last two rounds and the fact he still has less championships than Jordan despite MJ's 3 retirements. Plus he got to play against the inferior Eastern Conference in the Finals this time

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:36 pm ]
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Bagels wrote: he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page.

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:47 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Bagels wrote: he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page. He really does this???

Author:	Curious Hair [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:08 pm ]
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Hawg Ass wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Bagels wrote: he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page. He really does this???

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:08 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Bagels wrote: he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page. Has he ever been photographed signing a blank sheet of paper? The people who are trying to argue that LeBron is the greatest of all-time over Jordan, sound like Rube trying to paint Dan Fouts as the best quarterback of all time.

Author:	Hawg Ass [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:10 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Bagels wrote: he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page. He really does this??? That's beautiful

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:12 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Bagels wrote: he always comes across to me as someone who is trying really hard to sound smart I love when he has himself photographed reading books but he's always on the first page. He really does this??? Now show him opening mail !!

Author:	shakes [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:15 pm ]
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Brick wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Yeah, I know I've said LBJ is a better player than Jordan. But I've never contested the fact that Jordan was more dominant and more accomplished. That being said, what's being said and recorded after the Lakers won last night is just absurd. There's a huge "LBJ is actually the GOAT" movement in sports media after he improved from 3-9 to 4-10. I don't get it - if you weren't sold on LBJ as GOAT when he was 3-9, what does moving to 4-10 mean? It's astounding. Think about the argument: Yeah, I know Jordan won six rings, but now that LBJ won his fourth, I'm starting to think he's more of a GOAT than MJ. If you're going to make a case that LBJ has something over MJ - as I have done - you'll have to do better than a 4 is better than 6 premise. Lebron has 4* and Jordan has 6. yep

Author:	FavreFan [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:32 pm ]
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Jbi11s wrote: ESPN is really going for it. https://theundefeated.com/features/its-time-to-end-the-lebron-james-michael-jordan-debate/ https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30070633/lebron-james-vs-michael-jordan-why-goat-debate-different-now The Lowe column seems fair. This pretty much sums it up imo: Quote: Maybe it's a matter of taste. Do you prefer peak value or long-term near-peak consistency? LeBron's going to have all the counting stats when it's all said and done but Jordan was clearly the superior player at their respective peaks.