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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Baseball Reference |
Effective today, they merged the Negro League stats in with MLB. Here is the new all time single-season slugging list: 1. Josh Gibson+ (25) .9744 1937 R 2. Mule Suttles+ (25) .8771 1926 R 3. Charlie Smith (27) .8699 1929 L 4. Josh Gibson+ (31) .8675 1943 R 5. Barry Bonds (36) .8634 2001 L 6. Babe Ruth+ (25) .8472 1920 L 7. Babe Ruth+ (26) .8463 1921 L 8. Josh Gibson+ (27) .8235 1939 R 9. Mule Suttles+ (29) .8171 1930 R 10. Barry Bonds (39) .8123 2004 L The intent is good, but this is just not right. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
I am reading a biography on Satchel Paige. It is interesting in that you realize that there realize was no single negro league. You also learn that 75-100 blacks broke the color barrier before Jackie. Oh well. History is a funny thing. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
Jaw Breaker wrote: Effective today, they merged the Negro League stats in with MLB. Here is the new all time single-season slugging list: 1. Josh Gibson+ (25) .9744 1937 R 2. Mule Suttles+ (25) .8771 1926 R 3. Charlie Smith (27) .8699 1929 L 4. Josh Gibson+ (31) .8675 1943 R 5. Barry Bonds (36) .8634 2001 L 6. Babe Ruth+ (25) .8472 1920 L 7. Babe Ruth+ (26) .8463 1921 L 8. Josh Gibson+ (27) .8235 1939 R 9. Mule Suttles+ (29) .8171 1930 R 10. Barry Bonds (39) .8123 2004 L The intent is good, but this is just not right. Explain in painstaking detail. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
SpiralStairs wrote: Jaw Breaker wrote: Effective today, they merged the Negro League stats in with MLB. Here is the new all time single-season slugging list: 1. Josh Gibson+ (25) .9744 1937 R 2. Mule Suttles+ (25) .8771 1926 R 3. Charlie Smith (27) .8699 1929 L 4. Josh Gibson+ (31) .8675 1943 R 5. Barry Bonds (36) .8634 2001 L 6. Babe Ruth+ (25) .8472 1920 L 7. Babe Ruth+ (26) .8463 1921 L 8. Josh Gibson+ (27) .8235 1939 R 9. Mule Suttles+ (29) .8171 1930 R 10. Barry Bonds (39) .8123 2004 L The intent is good, but this is just not right. Explain in painstaking detail. Gibson allegedly slugged .9744 in 1937…a season that was all of 39 games. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
That's more helpful. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
Jaw Breaker wrote: Effective today, they merged the Negro League stats in with MLB. Here is the new all time single-season slugging list: 1. Josh Gibson+ (25) .9744 1937 R 2. Mule Suttles+ (25) .8771 1926 R 3. Charlie Smith (27) .8699 1929 L 4. Josh Gibson+ (31) .8675 1943 R 5. Barry Bonds (36) .8634 2001 L 6. Babe Ruth+ (25) .8472 1920 L 7. Babe Ruth+ (26) .8463 1921 L 8. Josh Gibson+ (27) .8235 1939 R 9. Mule Suttles+ (29) .8171 1930 R 10. Barry Bonds (39) .8123 2004 L The intent is good, but this is just not right. The intent isn't good. It's virtue signaling. And this is the type of shit that is destroying all of our institutions. Hopefully people recognize it before it happens with really important things. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
Oh good. |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
More social justice silliness. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
And you can see that it's going to be argued about from both sides. Josh Gibson used to have 800 career homers. Now he only has 165. Pretty tough to suggest he was as good as Ruth now. I think it was best just to let the legends be. Everyone who cares knows the best Negro League players would have been great in the big leagues. The guys who actually were able to get there showed that. But there also wasn't the structure and consistency that there was in the big leagues. I don't see how it helps Josh Gibson to take away 600+ of his alleged home runs. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
I liked it when I first heard of it. I just don't want to hear guys like Bernstein and Parkins talk about it, cheapening it with their perverse takes on it. |
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| Author: | man of few opinions [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
Its a shame some of the great negro league players never got the opportunity to play alongside their white counterparts in major league baseball, it really is. But the sad fact is they didn't. Now it doesn't make one bit of difference to me whatsoever how baseball reference wants to organize and demonstrate their information, when I go on there it is usually to view stats on an individual player anyway, but lumping in negro league stats in with MLB stats is nothing more than grandstanding and attempting to revise history. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
My care for baseball stats ended around the time Kerry Wood's 20K game was statistically registered as the best ever pitching performance. The legends from way back in the baseball past, to me, all exist in some kind of mythical fog, like Beowulf, where the truth is mixed with wonderful fantasy and they have the status of Baseball Hero. They represent something more than their stats. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
good dolphin wrote: My care for baseball stats ended around the time Kerry Wood's 20K game was statistically registered as the best ever pitching performance. The legends from way back in the baseball past, to me, all exist in some kind of mythical fog, like Beowulf, where the truth is mixed with wonderful fantasy and they have the status of Baseball Hero. They represent something more than their stats. I agree. I was just having this conversation at the game last night. My dad took to me to see the great players and made sure to point them out and told me to pay attention to them. I knew Willie and Ernie were great because my dad said so. I had no idea in the early 70s that they were busted down old men playing their last seasons. I saw Willie Mays. I saw Hank Aaron. That's what matters to me. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
good dolphin wrote: My care for baseball stats ended around the time Kerry Wood's 20K game was statistically registered as the best ever pitching performance. The legends from way back in the baseball past, to me, all exist in some kind of mythical fog, like Beowulf, where the truth is mixed with wonderful fantasy and they have the status of Baseball Hero. They represent something more than their stats. Still no vaccine for Cubbie on the Brain! Now that we are in Phase 5 you and Frankie should get together and menstruate your love for the Cubs. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
this guarantees that Bernstein won't make the argument that the greats from the past couldn't play today. He'll have to stick to football for that future show segment. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
My dad was a huge sports fan. He took us to see Satchel Paige pitch in an exhibition game against some local players. He was pretty old. My dad talked about it occasionally. I remember the event a little. But not any specifics. I do remember my dad rounding us up telling were go to see Satchel Paige. I wasn't a baseball fan yet. Just beginning I was so young. I do remember him visiting the Sox tv booth during games. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
good dolphin wrote: this guarantees that Bernstein won't make the argument that the greats from the past couldn't play today. He'll have to stick to football for that future show segment. Yea you cant really argue that Walter Johnson was only throwing 85 then say Satchel Paige would dominate in any era he played in but Lil Danny will give it a shot at some point. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
vitoscotti wrote: My dad was a huge sports fan. He took us to see Satchel Paige pitch in an exhibition game against some local players. He was pretty old. My dad talked about it occasionally. I remember the event a little. But not any specifics. I do remember my dad rounding us up telling were go to see Satchel Paige. I wasn't a baseball fan yet. Just beginning I was so young. I do remember him visiting the Sox tv booth during games. I'm pretty sure he was actually the color guy (no pun intended) on the broadcast for a year or two. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: vitoscotti wrote: My dad was a huge sports fan. He took us to see Satchel Paige pitch in an exhibition game against some local players. He was pretty old. My dad talked about it occasionally. I remember the event a little. But not any specifics. I do remember my dad rounding us up telling were go to see Satchel Paige. I wasn't a baseball fan yet. Just beginning I was so young. I do remember him visiting the Sox tv booth during games. I'm pretty sure he was actually the color guy (no pun intended) on the broadcast for a year or two. He was..."The bases are drunk..." one of Satchel's greatest hits on the broadcasts. |
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| Author: | vitoscotti [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
Seacrest wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: vitoscotti wrote: My dad was a huge sports fan. He took us to see Satchel Paige pitch in an exhibition game against some local players. He was pretty old. My dad talked about it occasionally. I remember the event a little. But not any specifics. I do remember my dad rounding us up telling were go to see Satchel Paige. I wasn't a baseball fan yet. Just beginning I was so young. I do remember him visiting the Sox tv booth during games. I'm pretty sure he was actually the color guy (no pun intended) on the broadcast for a year or two. He was..."The bases are drunk..." one of Satchel's greatest hits on the broadcasts. Dizzy Dean visited the Sox tv booth also. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
vitoscotti wrote: Seacrest wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: vitoscotti wrote: My dad was a huge sports fan. He took us to see Satchel Paige pitch in an exhibition game against some local players. He was pretty old. My dad talked about it occasionally. I remember the event a little. But not any specifics. I do remember my dad rounding us up telling were go to see Satchel Paige. I wasn't a baseball fan yet. Just beginning I was so young. I do remember him visiting the Sox tv booth during games. I'm pretty sure he was actually the color guy (no pun intended) on the broadcast for a year or two. He was..."The bases are drunk..." one of Satchel's greatest hits on the broadcasts. Dizzy Dean visited the Sox tv booth also. He may have done color for a season as well. Early Wynn on the radio was the worst. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
fuck, are you guys old |
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| Author: | Johnny LaRue [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
This is incredibly dumb. The NFL, USFL, and CFL were professional football leagues. Warren Moon's Canadian League stats and Jim Kelly's USFL stats don't appear combined anywhere Pro Football Reference. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Baseball Reference |
The earliest “great” player I remember being pointed out to me was Mike Schmidt. Though, my biggest takeaway from that game was wondering why Jack Clark threw all those bats onto the field after being ejected. |
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