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Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:41 pm ]
Post subject:  NBA Players Who Duck The Cover!

Guard your position you damn cowards!

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

I thought this would be a thread about how gutless they are in refusing to stand up to China while a bunch of women's tennis players are easily and proudly able to do so.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I thought this would be a thread about how gutless they are in refusing to stand up to China while a bunch of women's tennis players are easily and proudly able to do so.



I guess that could be considered "guarding their positions" as well.

Author:  Bagels [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:57 pm ]
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The Missing Link wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I thought this would be a thread about how gutless they are in refusing to stand up to China while a bunch of women's tennis players are easily and proudly able to do so.



I guess that could be considered "guarding their positions" as well.

:lol:

Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

Take the damn cover. I'm sick of these guys being MIA on Defense.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:23 pm ]
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Simmons at the top of the list

Author:  Regular Reader [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:24 pm ]
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Dunno but it looks like Phoenix plays it.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

Regular Reader wrote:
Dunno but it looks like Phoenix plays it.


Paul doesn't guard his position much anymore but he used to when he was younger. He gets a pass but the younger guys nah. There is no reason for a dude in his 20's to be ducking covers on defense. Some dudes have never bothered to guard their position. Others have deferred for so long that I cannot remember a time in which they actually did it. Lebron James for instance. Steph Curry also.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

Bagels wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I thought this would be a thread about how gutless they are in refusing to stand up to China while a bunch of women's tennis players are easily and proudly able to do so.



I guess that could be considered "guarding their positions" as well.

:lol:

:lol:

Author:  shakes [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

The Missing Link wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I thought this would be a thread about how gutless they are in refusing to stand up to China while a bunch of women's tennis players are easily and proudly able to do so.



I guess that could be considered "guarding their positions" as well.



:lol: :lol:

that's a good one LTG, props.

Author:  shakes [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

The Missing Link wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Dunno but it looks like Phoenix plays it.


Paul doesn't guard his position much anymore but he used to when he was younger. He gets a pass but the younger guys nah. There is no reason for a dude in his 20's to be ducking covers on defense. Some dudes have never bothered to guard their position. Others have deferred for so long that I cannot remember a time in which they actually did it. Lebron James for instance. Steph Curry also.


I don't agree with this. If you have a very high usage guard you should be trying to rest him as much as possible on defense. Doing ALL the work on offense can be pretty tiring. Let those guys rest on the other end and just guard the guy standing in the corner.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

shakes wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Dunno but it looks like Phoenix plays it.


Paul doesn't guard his position much anymore but he used to when he was younger. He gets a pass but the younger guys nah. There is no reason for a dude in his 20's to be ducking covers on defense. Some dudes have never bothered to guard their position. Others have deferred for so long that I cannot remember a time in which they actually did it. Lebron James for instance. Steph Curry also.


I don't agree with this. If you have a very high usage guard you should be trying to rest him as much as possible on defense. Doing ALL the work on offense can be pretty tiring. Let those guys rest on the other end and just guard the guy standing in the corner.


Its easy as hell to play offense when you ain't checking anyone.

Author:  shakes [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

The Missing Link wrote:
shakes wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Dunno but it looks like Phoenix plays it.


Paul doesn't guard his position much anymore but he used to when he was younger. He gets a pass but the younger guys nah. There is no reason for a dude in his 20's to be ducking covers on defense. Some dudes have never bothered to guard their position. Others have deferred for so long that I cannot remember a time in which they actually did it. Lebron James for instance. Steph Curry also.


I don't agree with this. If you have a very high usage guard you should be trying to rest him as much as possible on defense. Doing ALL the work on offense can be pretty tiring. Let those guys rest on the other end and just guard the guy standing in the corner.


Its easy as hell to play offense when you ain't checking anyone.


counter point: It's easy as hell to play defense when you just stand in the corner waiting for 3s on offense.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

Seems to me your beef is with coaching, not the players. The players arent the ones deciding what type of defense they are gonna play

Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:38 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Seems to me your beef is with coaching, not the players. The players arent the ones deciding what type of defense they are gonna play

Best players on NBA teams (particularly superstar guys) have always dictated whom they want to check if the guy plays their position. Do you think a young Westbrook was going to allow Scotty Fucking Brooks tell him whom he was going to guard if he wanted to guard Chris Paul? It doesn't work like that.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

The Missing Link wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Seems to me your beef is with coaching, not the players. The players arent the ones deciding what type of defense they are gonna play

Best players on NBA teams (particularly superstar guys) have always dictated whom they want to check if the guy plays their position. Do you think a young Westbrook was going to allow Scotty Fucking Brooks tell him whom he was going to guard if he wanted to guard Chris Paul? It doesn't work like that.

Yes, it does work like that. Theres like a dozen guys or less in the NBA who can tell their coach who they are going to guard and have the coach bow to it. Defensive game plans are way too schemed up to let some player say no fuck that, re-do your whole plan, im checking this guy today.

Theres a lot of thought put into this shit. It aint playground hoops

Author:  The Missing Link [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:27 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Seems to me your beef is with coaching, not the players. The players arent the ones deciding what type of defense they are gonna play

Best players on NBA teams (particularly superstar guys) have always dictated whom they want to check if the guy plays their position. Do you think a young Westbrook was going to allow Scotty Fucking Brooks tell him whom he was going to guard if he wanted to guard Chris Paul? It doesn't work like that.

Yes, it does work like that. Theres like a dozen guys or less in the NBA who can tell their coach who they are going to guard and have the coach bow to it. Defensive game plans are way too schemed up to let some player say no fuck that, re-do your whole plan, im checking this guy today.

Theres a lot of thought put into this shit. It aint playground hoops


Not as much as you might think. It's mostly done to hide bullfighter like defenders more than anything.

The good to great defenders will more often than not (overwhelmingly so in fact) guard their positions. The turnstiles will not. It's not "playground" basketball as much as it's basketball. Always has been. Always will be.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:54 pm ]
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Its not done to hide anything. Its a strategic choice based on a shit ton of variables that teams have entire teams of people dedicated to.

Its the same reason Giannis doesnt guard KD in Nets matchups. Giannis a fucking dog. Nobody would say hes gutless. And hes literally a DPOY defender. Hes not ducking KD, hes just too valuable to the Bucks to risk him getting fouled up in the first quarter

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:48 am ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Its not done to hide anything. Its a strategic choice based on a shit ton of variables that teams have entire teams of people dedicated to.

Its the same reason Giannis doesnt guard KD in Nets matchups. Giannis a fucking dog. Nobody would say hes gutless. And hes literally a DPOY defender. Hes not ducking KD, hes just too valuable to the Bucks to risk him getting fouled up in the first quarter


What defines people as athletes is their willingness to compete. This is new age NBA bullshit. The reason Michael Jordan is regarded as the best ever is because he took challenges. Both offensively and defensively.

Anyone that is offensive minded can "get theirs" when they know they don't have to play defense. There is no real pressure on them. That shit is easy. Ask any NBA player or anyone that has played basketball and they will tell you the same thing.

When guys have the ability to come back at you it makes a big difference. If you're that dude then you have to guard. None of that ducking shit.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

:lol:

You just said Giannis is gutless.

Ok. I’ll disagree

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

FavreFan wrote:
:lol:

You just said Giannis is gutless.

Ok. I’ll disagree


If he ducks Durant then maybe he is. You have said guys like Paul George are "gutless" yet all he has done from the time he has been a rookie was check his position. Even when he was undoubtedly the best player on the team. So has Westbrook. Why didn't coaches ever "scheme" to take them off the best player if they played their position? Chris Paul always guards his man. Well that was til he got old.
Tatum takes covers too. So has Jimmy Butler. So your they scheme away doesn't make sense if I can name plenty of guys who guard their position.

I also can plenty (Many more) that don't. And that is why I started the thread. There are a ton of scary ass guys out there who duck all day long. Who you guard as a player tells a ton about who you are as a player and always has.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:31 am ]
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Agreed with FF - LTG is applying playgroud logic to a professional game. In American Airlines Arena, Doncic is guarding Bogdanovic so he doesn't get into foul trouble guarding Trae Young. Jason Kidd would be stupid to start Doncic on Young.

In Rucker Park, Doncic and Young are checking each other.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

veganfan21 wrote:
Agreed with FF - LTG is applying playgroud logic to a professional game. In American Airlines Arena, Doncic is guarding Bogdanovic so he doesn't get into foul trouble guarding Trae Young. Jason Kidd would be stupid to start Doncic on Young.

In Rucker Park, Doncic and Young are checking each other.


They won't do it there either. Remember your guy Lebron once hunted someone down for the purpose of retrieving the tape of a college kid dunking on his "gutless" ass.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:39 am ]
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Oh yeah and the "scheme" (if you want to call it that) isn't Rocket Science either. They just simply hide weak asses defenders on non offensive threats. Scary, gutless ass way to play the game

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:51 am ]
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The Missing Link wrote:
Oh yeah and the "scheme" (if you want to call it that) isn't Rocket Science either. They just simply hide weak asses defenders on non offensive threats. Scary, gutless ass way to play the game



Coach LTG wrote:
Hey Luka, you're on Young tonight.


Marv Albert wrote:
And Young is fouled. Oh my! That's Doncic's sixth foul and he's out of the game in the first quarter!



Coach LTG wrote:
Fuck yeah, we ain't going to duck nobody

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

veganfan21 wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Oh yeah and the "scheme" (if you want to call it that) isn't Rocket Science either. They just simply hide weak asses defenders on non offensive threats. Scary, gutless ass way to play the game



Coach LTG wrote:
Hey Luka, you're on Young tonight.


Marv Albert wrote:
And Young is fouled. Oh my! That's Doncic's sixth foul and he's out of the game in the first quarter!



Coach LTG wrote:
Fuck yeah, we ain't going to duck nobody


As usual terrible analysis from you. Terrible comparison also. Might be time to non sequitur yourself over to Ben Simmons right about now.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

If the Hawks play Portland tonight who does Trae Young guard and whom should he guard?

Author:  The Missing Link [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

veganfan21 wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Oh yeah and the "scheme" (if you want to call it that) isn't Rocket Science either. They just simply hide weak asses defenders on non offensive threats. Scary, gutless ass way to play the game



Coach LTG wrote:
Hey Luka, you're on Young tonight.


Marv Albert wrote:
And Young is fouled. Oh my! That's Doncic's sixth foul and he's out of the game in the first quarter!



Coach LTG wrote:
Fuck yeah, we ain't going to duck nobody


And remember Vegan you are the king of calling players b**ches also. I guess that doesn't extend to the actual playing of the game I see.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:03 am ]
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The Missing Link wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Oh yeah and the "scheme" (if you want to call it that) isn't Rocket Science either. They just simply hide weak asses defenders on non offensive threats. Scary, gutless ass way to play the game



Coach LTG wrote:
Hey Luka, you're on Young tonight.


Marv Albert wrote:
And Young is fouled. Oh my! That's Doncic's sixth foul and he's out of the game in the first quarter!



Coach LTG wrote:
Fuck yeah, we ain't going to duck nobody


And remember Vegan you are the king of calling players b**ches also. I guess that doesn't extend to the actual playing of the game I see.


Simmons and Irving are biitches, correct. They aren't players. Haven't you noticed?

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gutless NBA Players

The Missing Link wrote:
If the Hawks play Portland tonight who does Trae Young guard and whom should he guard?


Smart coaches hide guys like Young from Q1-Q3 to ensure they stay out of foul trouble. In the 4th, if it's a close game, let him loose on either Dame or CJ.

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