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Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Patty Mahomes

Ts & Ps for Mr. Mahomes. He’s had a very tough life.


Author:  SpiralStairs [ Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:06 pm ]
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Sending up the Brogue signal I see.

Author:  denisdman [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:28 am ]
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I was at my usual Packers game hang out up here for week one of the 2021 regular season. In the second half, the Packers fans were screaming for Love to replace Rodgers.

I think every NFL starting quarterback gets the wrath of fans when the team plays poorly. When your bar is as high as Mahomes, the expectations are going to be greatness every week.

Author:  Brick [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:40 am ]
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The ESPN article for some reason doesn't include the thing that likely got Mahomes a little bit upset, which is this.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10043766-patrick-mahomes-calls-out-weird-criticism-of-black-qbs-after-streetball-comment

Quote:
"We love Mahomes because of his unorthodox throws, not because of his natural pocket presence. And when that disappears, that is when they lose games. I don't think that is a 1. I think that is a 2. Nothing against the guy. I love the kid. But take his first read away and what does he do? He runs, he scrambles and he plays streetball."


I doubt they are saying that streetball comment about Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence who both run more than Mahomes.

Author:  denisdman [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:43 am ]
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Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….

Author:  312player [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:49 am ]
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He is as much white as he is black, so he is a white qb as well.

Author:  Augie [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:03 am ]
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When Mahomes is flipping the ball underhanded and throwing no look passes, ESPN says it's creative and athletic. When it doesn't work, Mahomes wants no criticism. There might not be a player in the league who's been more universally praised and fawned over than Mahomes the past few years. Any criticism appears to be too much for him.

Author:  Bagels [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:14 am ]
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denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:59 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?
Unorthodox?

Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:01 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Athleticism.

A giant fuck you to most people of color.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:01 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Streetball.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:04 am ]
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The Missing Link wrote:
Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Streetball.


No anonymous GM would dare to use the term to describe Roger Staubach's similar play. Hopefully the anonymous GM gets fired soon.

Author:  Bagels [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:04 am ]
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well these are all very different responses

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:05 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
well these are all very different responses

Doesn't mean they are necessarily false statements.

Author:  BigW72 [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:07 am ]
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Regular Reader wrote:
Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Athleticism.

A giant fuck you to most people of color.

True.
Link's point on "Streetball" also true.

There is nothing wrong or inaccurate about Mahomme's statement. Truth hurts. Trace the history of NFL QB's and it's pretty clear. Same with coaching.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:09 am ]
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It's a common thing every talking head falls into right.

For example they say:

The minorities are athletic, fiery, emotional, physically gifted, and mostly get by on talent rather than technique.

The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:12 am ]
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BigW72 wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Athleticism.

A giant fuck you to most people of color.

True.
Link's point on "Streetball" also true.

There is nothing wrong or inaccurate about Mahomme's statement. Truth hurts. Trace the history of NFL QB's and it's pretty clear. Same with coaching.

And yet I wonder why this is in the douchebag thread. :|

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:13 am ]
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BigW72 wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Bagels wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Hmm, I do not view that as negative, but obviously I understand the racial connotation of using that word….


what word is that ?


Athleticism.

A giant fuck you to most people of color.

True.
Link's point on "Streetball" also true.

There is nothing wrong or inaccurate about Mahomme's statement. Truth hurts. Trace the history of NFL QB's and it's pretty clear. Same with coaching.


Streetball is actually a term that is most commonly used for basketball players that are "undisciplined' and not "fundamentally sound".

Author:  Bagels [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:13 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:


The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.


like Rex Chapman

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:15 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:


The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.


like Rex Chapman


There is a reason that you could immediately cite Rex Chapman too. A guy that has been out the NBA for over 15 years.

Author:  W_Z [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:15 am ]
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Field general. Battle tested.

Author:  Bagels [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:16 am ]
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The Missing Link wrote:
Bagels wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:


The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.


like Rex Chapman


There is a reason that you could immediately cite Rex Chapman too. A guy that has been out the NBA for over 15 years.


well, i could have cited Damon Bailey

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:17 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
The minorities are athletic, fiery, emotional, physically gifted, and mostly get by on talent rather than technique.

The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.

Image

Author:  Augie [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:18 am ]
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If instead of saying 'streetball', the defensive coordinator would have said that Mahomes makes questionable decisions at times, he would have been shredded for questioning Mahomes intelligence. The lesson here is that no criticism is allowed.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:18 am ]
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Yep first thing people think of when they see Mahomes or Lamar Jackson play is there goes a real cerebral quarterback, really thinks his way through the game. Just like Brett Favre or Steve Young or John Elway.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:18 am ]
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W_Z wrote:
Field general. Battle tested.


"Heady"

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:20 am ]
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Augie wrote:
If instead of saying 'streetball', the defensive coordinator would have said that Mahomes makes questionable decisions at times, he would have been shredded for questioning Mahomes intelligence. The lesson here is that no criticism is allowed.


Questionable decisions is not the same as saying he plays "streetball".

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:20 am ]
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Steve Young ran all over the place, and threw with the wrong arm.

Author:  The Missing Link [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:21 am ]
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Bagels wrote:
The Missing Link wrote:
Bagels wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:


The whites are cerebral, technically savvy, gritty, team first, etc.


like Rex Chapman


There is a reason that you could immediately cite Rex Chapman too. A guy that has been out the NBA for over 15 years.


well, i could have cited Damon Bailey


Damon Bailey never made the NBA and he also was not known for his "superior Athleticism" either.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:34 am ]
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https://www.colorado.edu/today/2017/08/ ... arterbacks


Racial stereotypes affect the public’s perception of NFL quarterbacks and may, in some cases, become a self-fulfilling prophecy for black athletes, new CU Boulder research shows.

Two recently published studies authored by Patrick Ferrucci, an assistant professor in the College of Media, Communication and Information (CMCI), suggest that unconscious racial bias, propagated in part by sports media, still influences how the public views the quarterback position.

“We are all aware of the stereotypes that are out there in the discourse—it’s almost unavoidable,” said Ferrucci, who co-authored both studies with Edson Tandoc of Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. “In these two studies, we were looking to see if people actually apply them, and the answer is yes.”

Listen to the podcast

Researcher Patrick Ferrucci talks about how racial stereotypes affect perception of NFL quarterbacks.

Previous research has suggested that certain words and phrases used in sports media often carry implicit racial bias. Black athletes are more likely to be described in terms of natural ability and strength while white players are more likely to be described through the prism of intelligence and effort. Sociological research has also indicated that members of a given group are more likely to think of their own membership as diverse while thinking of other groups as homogenous, a phenomenon known as social identity theory.

In the first study, published in the Howard Journal of Communications, the researchers recruited both white and black college students and asked them to rate paragraphs and photos of either black or white pro quarterbacks based on four stereotypical descriptors: physical strength, natural ability, leadership and intelligence.

While all participants stereotyped both races to some extent, black participants stereotyped both races more strongly, suggesting that stereotypes about black quarterbacks may be so engrained that black players may not believe they are cut out to be a professional quarterback, which could in turn affect how they view and play football starting in adolescence.

Although three of the past four Super Bowls have featured black quarterbacks, the number of black quarterbacks who have thrown 100 passes in a season in the NFL has generally declined since the early 2000s. During the 2015 season—the most recent year covered by the study—only 14 percent of pro quarterbacks who threw a minimum of 100 passes were black, down from a historical high-water mark of 35 percent in 2001.

In the second study, published in the International Journal of Sport Communication, the researchers sampled only white participants from a wider range of ages and education levels and found that the participants assigned stereotypes to short paragraphs and photos describing black quarterbacks but not to white ones, a result consistent with social identity theory. Even when told implicitly that a black quarterback, for example, was exceptionally intelligent, the white participants still did not rate that player as being as intelligent as a similarly-described white quarterback.

The findings from both studies are illuminating on how the public views professional athletes, Ferrucci said, but could also carry implications beyond the football field.

“If we're still stereotyping this way in sports, then it’s probable that we’re stereotyping in real life, too, and that could have far more negative consequences,” Ferrucci said.

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