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Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Birthers |
Could go in the Politics section, but these guys are definitely douchebags. I wonder if it ever occurs to these far-right loons that they are only appealing to people who already pimping their propaganda, and alienating "independent" voters. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... lp00000009 Quote: Kansas officials plan to hold a hearing Thursday afternoon to weigh whether President Barack Obama is a citizen and should appear on the state's November ballot.
The Kansas Objections Board will be considering a challenge filed by Joe Montgomery, a Manhattan resident, who Monday objected to Obama being on the ballot. He claims the president is not an American citizen since his father was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Kenya. The all-Republican board -- which consists of Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer and Attorney General Derek Schmidt -- has the power to remove Obama from the ballot in his mother's home state. Montgomery, the communications coordinator for the College of Veterinary Medicine at Kansas State University, said in his filing that he does not believe Obama meets the criteria for citizenship because of his father's citizenship. He cites several Supreme Court rulings in the filing, which he says validate his argument. In the filing, Montgomery said that the rulings show a "natural born citizen" is a person born of two American citizens. Montgomery wrote: Barack Obama, according to multiple sources, was not born to a citizen father. His father was never even admitted to this country as a resident alien. Barack Obama Sr. retained his British and Kenyan citizenship and passed them onto his son, which Mr. Obama has publicly claimed on his Fight the Smears website. The Supreme Court specified that natural-born citizenship inherently excludes dual citizenship through a citation in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (which was citing U.S. v Rhodes, noting that one could only be a British subject or a natural-born citizen, and not hold both citizenships): All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Montgomery also claimed that Obama has failed to justify his citizenship and said that the birth certificate provided by the White House is "doctored." Hawaii officials, including former Gov. Linda Lingle (R), have said Obama was born in Honolulu and his birth certificate is real. "Despite several lawsuits challenging Mr. Obama's constitutional eligibility and place of birth, Mr. Obama has failed to provide any valid, certified documentary evidence to legally establish birth in this country, much less to citizen parents. Further there is substantial evidence showing that much of Mr. Obama's alleged birth certificates have been forged or doctored, and have not been confirmed as legally valid, true and accurate," Montgomery wrote. "In terms of the legal precedent expressed by the U.S. Supreme Court, this doesn't matter, we have a longstanding legal precedent through the U.S. Supreme Court, which is our nation's highest judicial authority. Under the court's definition, Barack Obama is not Constitutionally eligible for the office of president." |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
It would be best not to pay any attention to them. When this stuff gets reported on it just feeds them. They need not be fed anymore. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
This is just a hilariously stupid move. All this does is turn more people off to Obama's opponent. Independents run away from this shit like it's the plague. And why is this guy even making this fight in Kansas? Romney will win this state by 20-25%. Mitt could shoot someone on video in Kansas, and still win that state easily. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
immessedup17 wrote: Let us just amend the law to say you don't need to be born a U.S. citizen. I'm tired of this crap. Vote for who you think will make the best president...not all of this other tangent bullshit. Bad idea. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
SomeGuy wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Let us just amend the law to say you don't need to be born a U.S. citizen. I'm tired of this crap. Vote for who you think will make the best president...not all of this other tangent bullshit. Bad idea. I agree. I'd like the President to be born here. Obama was. This is incredibly stupid, like DB said, and I probably should have just ignored it, like you said. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
FavreFan wrote: SomeGuy wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Let us just amend the law to say you don't need to be born a U.S. citizen. I'm tired of this crap. Vote for who you think will make the best president...not all of this other tangent bullshit. Bad idea. I agree. I'd like the President to be born here. Obama was. This is incredibly stupid, like DB said, and I probably should have just ignored it, like you said. So, everyone in this thread is totally correct. Except for IMU. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
immessedup17 wrote: SomeGuy wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Let us just amend the law to say you don't need to be born a U.S. citizen. I'm tired of this crap. Vote for who you think will make the best president...not all of this other tangent bullshit. Bad idea. Good idea. We let latin guys play the baseball, and african and european guys play the basketball...seems to work out pretty well. Give us a larger talent pool to pick the president from. As long as you're a U.S. citizen by the time you turn 21...you should be allowed to run. Some of the greatest minds in the country were born outside of it. I don't feel they are less American than me. You dont feel that a citizen of China is less American than you? That's odd. Comparing the most powerful, influential position in our country to a basketball player is just silly. |
Author: | Makaveli [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
This is either an attempt to excite the extreme right or to sabotage Romney's chances of winning. I can never really get a good read on some of them. I have some as FB friends and it's hard to separate the different relationships a lot of times. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:12 pm ] |
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I'm buying what IMU is selling. It'll never happen though. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:15 pm ] |
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Yes I misread your post IMU. It makes a little more sense now, but I still disagree. |
Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
None of this would be a problem if the President was from Israel. |
Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
immessedup17 wrote: Within four years, many more of you would see things my way. Why does it take four years to shove my head up my ass? |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Within four years, many more of you would see things my way. Why does it take four years to shove my head up my ass? Seriously. He's not spanky. |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: None of this would be a problem if the President was from Israel. I know right. I think the entire thing is a non issue. Release his college stuff, that is where the real issue is. I will bet he put down that he was a foreign born to get more financial aid. I do find it interesting that those who initially questioned Obamas place of birth are labeled as crazy and no investigation was done and it is treated with contempt. Yet when it was done to McCain everyone took it seriously enough that it was investigated by the Senate. |
Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:50 pm ] |
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immessedup17 wrote: Ugie! You're killing me! Remember the bags! |
Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:10 pm ] |
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Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:12 pm ] |
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Q.Bovifs wrote: He is hiding something verrrrrrrry important about his past, and that is shady as fuck. He's a woman, isnt he? I KNEW it |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Here's a question: What has Obama records has Obama! not released that other Presidents have? |
Author: | lipidquadcab [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:15 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: What has Obama records has Obama! not released that other Presidents have? What the...oh man... |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Krazy Ivan wrote: :lol: +1... I hate agreeing with Ivan. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
rogers park bryan wrote: Q.Bovifs wrote: He is hiding something verrrrrrrry important about his past, and that is shady as fuck. He's a woman, isnt he? I KNEW it No. He's part of an international jewel heist ring. Boom baby! |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
lipidquadcab wrote: SomeGuy wrote: What has Obama records has Obama! not released that other Presidents have? What the...oh man... Cocaine is a hell of a drug. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
lipidquadcab wrote: SomeGuy wrote: What has Obama records has Obama! not released that other Presidents have? What the...oh man... Gotta stop sniffing glue.... Ok, here goes: What records has Obama not released that other Presidents have released? Is there something that he's not putting out there that is usually released to the public? |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Q.Bovifs wrote: There's not even a shred of doubt in my mind that Barack Obama is significantly more intelligent than whoever designed that billboard. |
Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Terry's Peeps wrote: He's part of an international jewel heist ring. Not to be confused with the International Joo Scheister Ring. |
Author: | chaspoppcap [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
SomeGuy wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: SomeGuy wrote: What has Obama records has Obama! not released that other Presidents have? What the...oh man... Gotta stop sniffing glue.... Ok, here goes: What records has Obama not released that other Presidents have released? Is there something that he's not putting out there that is usually released to the public? His college and Post grad records. usually we know what grades classes and such. He refuses to release them. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Q.Bovifs wrote: FavreFan wrote: Q.Bovifs wrote: There's not even a shred of doubt in my mind that Barack Obama is significantly more intelligent than whoever designed that billboard. Although I can't stand Romney, I fully-support that billboard. RON PAUL, SAVE US!!!! NO - SAVE THE U.S.!!!! From reading his views on Obama, I'm quite certain Ron Paul would not support a billboard like that, even if you removed the Romney support part. People that engage in that sort of nonsense are part of the problem with our political discourse in the US. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Birthers |
Q.Bovifs wrote: Im quite certain that most rational, intelligent Obama detractors care much more about his support of NDAA, Guantanamo Bay, the Patriot Act, drone killing, Obamacare, attacks on states rights, attacks on first amendment rights, and issues that actually affect people. Most people that are too lazy to come up with an intelligent argument as to why they dont like Obama like to ask where he was born and what friends he had in college. If you consider yourself a libertarian, I think the movement is better off without people like you. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
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Crazy people are funny. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:34 pm ] |
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I would hang this painting in my house. Q.Bovifs wrote:
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