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Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:07 pm ]
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You are a goddam fraud. Its disgusting that people chose you as a role model. Those bracelets should read either LIVEFRAUD or LIVEWRONG, you douche.
Quote:
US Anti Doping Agency DADA says Lance Armstrong's Postal Service cycling team 'ran the most sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that sport has ever seen'


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-tea ... z28utyRt6Y
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:15 pm ]
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Dan's thoughts on Lance are one of the things I disagree with him most about. So ignoring B&B for the rest of the week.
Author:  denisdman [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:16 pm ]
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Sports are becoming like politics- every heart warming story is destroyed by cheating and scandal. It really is sad, and I suspect most of the other teams were doing this too. Lance was such a great story and now it's a disgrace. Can I ever cheer for an athlete with the knowledge that I won't be disappointed down the road? Of course not.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:17 pm ]
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Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their scheduled blood doping.
Author:  FavreFan [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:19 pm ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
Dan's thoughts on Lance are one of the things I disagree with him most about. So ignoring B&B for the rest of the week.

Beni will listen so you don't have to.
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:26 pm ]
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Northside_Dan wrote:
Dan's thoughts on Lance are one of the things I disagree with him most about. So ignoring B&B for the rest of the week.
I am just curious what you disagree with. Is it:

1. Any statement that Lance Armstrong cheated, or

2. Simply the degree of hatred that Dan Bernstein seems to have for Lance Armstrong?
Author:  denisdman [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:26 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Dan's thoughts on Lance are one of the things I disagree with him most about. So ignoring B&B for the rest of the week.

Beni will listen so you don't have to.



Since Beni voluntarily takes one for the team each day, can we start giving him other tasks? Would he be willing to cut our lawns, call our mother in laws on their birthdays, and show up for our jobs when we don't want to get out of bed? Please Beni.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:32 pm ]
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stoneroses86 wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Dan's thoughts on Lance are one of the things I disagree with him most about. So ignoring B&B for the rest of the week.
I am just curious what you disagree with. Is it:

1. Any statement that Lance Armstrong cheated, or

2. Simply the degree of hatred that Dan Bernstein seems to have for Lance Armstrong?


I'm sure he did cheat. In a sport where everyone does, to assume the guy who basically had a fatal diagnosis of cancer could come back and win the event 6 times without cheating is crazy. I'm sure there will be details on how he's had a clean drug test every single time.

What bothers me most about Dan in this situation, is like with most things, he sees it in an extremely black and white fashion. Sure you can insult Lance for profiting significantly for being a fraud, if he really did cheat, but to discount the amount of money he's raised for cancer research and the inspiration he gives to millions of people battling cancer everyday, my mom being one of them, is not telling the whole story. There are often times good things that came out of bad situations.

Dan will predictably get up on his high horse about this and shout down any idiot who simply want to discuss the Lance Armstrong story as a whole.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:34 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
Sports are becoming like politics- every heart warming story is destroyed by cheating and scandal. It really is sad, and I suspect most of the other teams were doing this too. Lance was such a great story and now it's a disgrace. Can I ever cheer for an athlete with the knowledge that I won't be disappointed down the road? Of course not.



I think it depends on how you look at it. I don't expect an athlete to do anything except try to be the best he can at his sport. In certain time-frames that includes taking drugs.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:36 pm ]
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Dan with all due respect, and saying this without knowing your mother's situation, Lance Armstrong had access to the best drugs and doctors on the market because he got rich by cheating in his bike races. I can only assume that your mother does not have that at her disposal. Not everybody who has cancer is lucky enough to be able to afford the best legal and illegal drugs to get themselves back to 100%.

Not to mention that once he was cancer free and racing again, he left his wife.

He is a fraud of the highest degree.
Author:  beni hanna [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:38 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Dan's thoughts on Lance are one of the things I disagree with him most about. So ignoring B&B for the rest of the week.

Beni will listen so you don't have to.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I am there for you NORTHSIDESTRONG!
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:39 pm ]
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Quite frankly, if every participant cheats, and it is a bicycle race (Freddie Mercury), who really cares?

Thousands of French people, that is who. Not me. There is no possible measurement for how little I care about Lance Armstrong and his magical, mystical ten speed Schwinn.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:40 pm ]
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No offense taken at all. Clearly the care he had access to is going to be significantly greater than anyone here would experience. Still, there's value in the story to people fighting. The books he's written, the speeches, whatever. He really did have an unbelievably bad diagnosis of cancer. He was able to fight it back to remission and then win a grueling race 5? 6? (MoFo?) times competing on a even playing field, assuming 95% of that sport dopes.

If that gives someone fighting cancer even just a dose more spirit to keep fighting then that has real value and shouldn't be discounted.
Author:  Rod [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:45 pm ]
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stoneroses86 wrote:
Quite frankly, if every participant cheats, and it is a bicycle race (Freddie Mercury), who really cares?

Thousands of French people, that is who. Not me. There is no possible measurement for how little I care about Lance Armstrong and his magical, mystical ten speed Schwinn.


How do you feel about the baseball juicers?
Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:49 pm ]
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Where is all the money for cancer research going? Dont we already have a pretty extensive working knowledge of cancer at this point? For all the millions that are being thrown at the problem I think it is sort of crazy that we havent even heard of someone working on a cure. I mean chemo and radiation have been around forever, what are they still researching? How about developing some better less brutal treatment options if not an actual cure.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:50 pm ]
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The strides that have been made with chemotherapy even over the last 10 years are astounding. Progress is being made for sure.
Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:53 pm ]
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I dont know, I didnt notice a heck of a lot of difference between the chemo treatments for my uncle and grandfather and they were well over a decade apart. Still seems like a pretty brutal course of treatment.
Author:  beni hanna [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:56 pm ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Where is all the money for cancer research going?

I believe this is part of Bernstein's disdain for Armstrong. Seeing as how Bernstein is quite knowledgeable in all things charity, he seems to be under the impression that the charitable side of Armstrong's efforts are more charitable to Armstrong than they are to the actually curing something.
Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:59 pm ]
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beni hanna wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Where is all the money for cancer research going?

I believe this is part of Bernstein's disdain for Armstrong. Seeing as how Bernstein is quite knowledgeable in all things charity, he seems to be under the impression that the charitable side of Armstrong's efforts are more charitable to Armstrong than they are to the actually curing something.


I just meant in general. It seems like a lot of money spent with little results. I dont want them to make chemo better, I want them to figure out a way to attack a tumor without resorting to poisioning someone's body.
Author:  Redneckmommy [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:28 pm ]
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Lance sure has some balls to lie about the doping.
Author:  man of few opinions [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:54 pm ]
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this news is hardly surprising, but some of the other names associated with armstrong and the US Postal team coming forward are disappointing. i have always been a fan of george hincapie, and it is sad to see him all knotted up in this mess now.

i think saying 95% of the sport being involved in doping may be a bit of an exaggeration. is the sport dirty? certainly. are 95 out of 100 of them blood doping? doubtful. just like every other sport, the genie is out of the bottle though and the scientists developing new methods of chemically beating the system will forever be one step ahead, and every result will be tainted with doubt.

as far as cycling goes, i will remain a fan of the sport, and hopefully a day will come where it will somehow rise from the ashes of the long litany of cheating and doping scandals. there are several young american riders i look forward to watching in the next few years. i hope they can steer clear of all this stuff, but i know i will never know for sure.
Author:  pittmike [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:58 pm ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Where is all the money for cancer research going?

I believe this is part of Bernstein's disdain for Armstrong. Seeing as how Bernstein is quite knowledgeable in all things charity, he seems to be under the impression that the charitable side of Armstrong's efforts are more charitable to Armstrong than they are to the actually curing something.


I just meant in general. It seems like a lot of money spent with little results. I dont want them to make chemo better, I want them to figure out a way to attack a tumor without resorting to poisioning someone's body.



This is what is being done in the research lab I manage here at the Pitt Med School. It's called structural biology. We study proteins and at that level how things are attached or inhibited from attachment etc. Along with that slowing or stopping tumor cells and on and on. I have six machines in what is likely top ten set up in the country. Price tag for them and the room for such large equipment $40M. That is where the money goes at least a good chunk of it.
Author:  cpguy [ Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:02 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Where is all the money for cancer research going?

I believe this is part of Bernstein's disdain for Armstrong. Seeing as how Bernstein is quite knowledgeable in all things charity, he seems to be under the impression that the charitable side of Armstrong's efforts are more charitable to Armstrong than they are to the actually curing something.


I just meant in general. It seems like a lot of money spent with little results. I dont want them to make chemo better, I want them to figure out a way to attack a tumor without resorting to poisioning someone's body.



This is what is being done in the research lab I manage here at the Pitt Med School. It's called structural biology. We study proteins and at that level how things are attached or inhibited from attachment etc. Along with that slowing or stopping tumor cells and on and on. I have six machines in what is likely top ten set up in the country. Price tag for them and the room for such large equipment $40M. That is where the money goes at least a good chunk of it.


Awesome! Needless to say, let's hope your lab attains success, be it minimal or substantial.

As for Armstrong and the doping, etc. it's just a damn shame.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:12 pm ]
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man of few opinions wrote:
i think saying 95% of the sport being involved in doping may be a bit of an exaggeration.
Is it really? Haven't like 4 of the last 5 Tour winners been napped for cheating?
Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:36 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Where is all the money for cancer research going?

I believe this is part of Bernstein's disdain for Armstrong. Seeing as how Bernstein is quite knowledgeable in all things charity, he seems to be under the impression that the charitable side of Armstrong's efforts are more charitable to Armstrong than they are to the actually curing something.


I just meant in general. It seems like a lot of money spent with little results. I dont want them to make chemo better, I want them to figure out a way to attack a tumor without resorting to poisioning someone's body.



This is what is being done in the research lab I manage here at the Pitt Med School. It's called structural biology. We study proteins and at that level how things are attached or inhibited from attachment etc. Along with that slowing or stopping tumor cells and on and on. I have six machines in what is likely top ten set up in the country. Price tag for them and the room for such large equipment $40M. That is where the money goes at least a good chunk of it.


Interesting to hear, so in theory would you insert certain proteins into someone's body to battle the tumors or would you find a way to trigger the person's own body to produce the necessary things to battle it themselves?
Author:  pittmike [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:40 pm ]
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For the most part Hank. In the case of HIV the inhibitors invented came from exactly that. The connector points on the proteins are inhibited from accepting the virus cells thus inhibiting replication or slowing it down.
Author:  Rod [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:44 pm ]
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EPO all in my veins;
Lately things just don’t seem the same;
Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why;
’Scuse me while I pass this guy.
Author:  stoneroses86 [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:45 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
The connector points on the proteins are inhibited from accepting the virus cells thus inhibiting replication or slowing it down.

That is what she said.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:52 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
EPO all in my veins;
Lately things just don’t seem the same;
Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why;
’Scuse me while I pass this guy.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  man of few opinions [ Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:54 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
i think saying 95% of the sport being involved in doping may be a bit of an exaggeration.
Is it really? Haven't like 4 of the last 5 Tour winners been napped for cheating?

true, but even using my basic math skills that would be 80%.
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