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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:51 pm ] |
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http://todaynews.new.today.com/_news/20 ... use-a-stir 'Fat letters' sent home to students cause a stir WHDH-TV -By Susan Tran, WHDH NORTH ANDOVER, Mass. –Schools in North Andover are trying help students dealing with obesity issues, but some families say the schools are going too far. Cameron Watson, 10, isn't just a strong athlete; he's also a tough fourth grader who didn't let a “fat letter” sent to his home get him down. For the full story, click here to read it at WHDH. “I know I’m not obese so I didn’t really care about the letter. I just crumpled it up,” Cam Watson said. The letters were sent to plenty of homes throughout the Commonwealth. The Department of Public Health says 32 percent of our students have a Body Mass Index that shows they're overweight or obese, and the letters are supposed to be a helpful tool for parents. Cam Watson’s father says they're a waste -- they don't take into account muscle mass. “No one wants get letter saying they’re obese. That’s a very strong, uncomfortable word, and we didn’t see if fitting with our son who is very active, he’s very strong,” said Matt Watson, Cam’s father. While Cam Watson continues to wrestle in elite clubs, his mother –a selectwoman in North Andover -- is working with state representatives to stop these fat letters. “I don’t think all of a sudden we have to wake up and say that people in Massachusetts need to be told everything to do with their kids whether to feed them a cupcake or to feed them broccoli,” said State Representative Jim Lyons. For Cam Watson, he says he has the self esteem to overlook a label –but he's more worried about his friends who might not be as strong. “I don't like my friends getting their feelings hurt,” Cam Watson said. The Department of Public Health is also sending letters home to students who are underweight. The department says all families have the option of not having their children screened for their Body Mass Index. So who's the douchebag? |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parents or Health Department |
I voted for the Dept of Health in this case. A lot of these kids will hit a growth spurt and everything will change. To be judging 10 year olds seems a bit premature to me. I used to be a chubby kid at that age but like the kid referenced in the article was strong like bull. By high school I turned out just fine and played varsity sports. Of course after college I decided to get lazy and got big again but I am working on it. BMI seems to be a bad way to judge a person in general. I think it is a baseline to start with but there are some flaws with it. I think at 6'1 I am supposed to weigh about 175 lbs. I weighed that as a senior in high school when in the best shape of my life. I did one of those calculators and if I got to my own personal ideal weight it would still consider me high on the overweight scale. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:04 am ] |
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The Commonwealth |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:06 am ] |
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This is why I'm sending my kids to a private Catholic school. Being fat isn't a sin. |
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:19 am ] |
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T-Bone wrote: I voted for the Dept of Health in this case. A lot of these kids will hit a growth spurt and everything will change. To be judging 10 year olds seems a bit premature to me. I used to be a chubby kid at that age but like the kid referenced in the article was strong like bull. By high school I turned out just fine and played varsity sports. Of course after college I decided to get lazy and got big again but I am working on it. BMI seems to be a bad way to judge a person in general. I think it is a baseline to start with but there are some flaws with it. I think at 6'1 I am supposed to weigh about 175 lbs. I weighed that as a senior in high school when in the best shape of my life. I did one of those calculators and if I got to my own personal ideal weight it would still consider me high on the overweight scale. But there is a strong correlation between childhood obestity and adulthood obesity--and the health problems that accompany being overweight. |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:23 am ] |
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Tall Midget wrote: T-Bone wrote: I voted for the Dept of Health in this case. A lot of these kids will hit a growth spurt and everything will change. To be judging 10 year olds seems a bit premature to me. I used to be a chubby kid at that age but like the kid referenced in the article was strong like bull. By high school I turned out just fine and played varsity sports. Of course after college I decided to get lazy and got big again but I am working on it. BMI seems to be a bad way to judge a person in general. I think it is a baseline to start with but there are some flaws with it. I think at 6'1 I am supposed to weigh about 175 lbs. I weighed that as a senior in high school when in the best shape of my life. I did one of those calculators and if I got to my own personal ideal weight it would still consider me high on the overweight scale. But there is a strong correlation between childhood obestity and adulthood obesity--and the health problems that accompany being overweight. Fair enough. I am judging this as someone that has no children and knows very little about kids in general. If this is a growing problem then it should be monitored in some way, not sure this is the right one. |
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parents or Health Department |
T-Bone wrote: Tall Midget wrote: T-Bone wrote: I voted for the Dept of Health in this case. A lot of these kids will hit a growth spurt and everything will change. To be judging 10 year olds seems a bit premature to me. I used to be a chubby kid at that age but like the kid referenced in the article was strong like bull. By high school I turned out just fine and played varsity sports. Of course after college I decided to get lazy and got big again but I am working on it. BMI seems to be a bad way to judge a person in general. I think it is a baseline to start with but there are some flaws with it. I think at 6'1 I am supposed to weigh about 175 lbs. I weighed that as a senior in high school when in the best shape of my life. I did one of those calculators and if I got to my own personal ideal weight it would still consider me high on the overweight scale. But there is a strong correlation between childhood obestity and adulthood obesity--and the health problems that accompany being overweight. Fair enough. I am judging this as someone that has no children and knows very little about kids in general. If this is a growing problem then it should be monitored in some way, not sure this is the right one. I agree, T-Bone. But I find it incredibly disturbing that so many communities in this country have cut school gym programs, recess, and playground budgets. One of the great joys of my youth was our daily softball and fastpitch games during recess or gym. Adults are not only making kids fatter--they're also making them less happy. |
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| Author: | T-Bone [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parents or Health Department |
Tall Midget wrote: T-Bone wrote: Tall Midget wrote: T-Bone wrote: I voted for the Dept of Health in this case. A lot of these kids will hit a growth spurt and everything will change. To be judging 10 year olds seems a bit premature to me. I used to be a chubby kid at that age but like the kid referenced in the article was strong like bull. By high school I turned out just fine and played varsity sports. Of course after college I decided to get lazy and got big again but I am working on it. BMI seems to be a bad way to judge a person in general. I think it is a baseline to start with but there are some flaws with it. I think at 6'1 I am supposed to weigh about 175 lbs. I weighed that as a senior in high school when in the best shape of my life. I did one of those calculators and if I got to my own personal ideal weight it would still consider me high on the overweight scale. But there is a strong correlation between childhood obestity and adulthood obesity--and the health problems that accompany being overweight. Fair enough. I am judging this as someone that has no children and knows very little about kids in general. If this is a growing problem then it should be monitored in some way, not sure this is the right one. I agree, T-Bone. But I find it incredibly disturbing that so many communities in this country have cut school gym programs, recess, and playground budgets. One of the great joys of my youth was our daily softball and fastpitch games during recess or gym. Adults are not only making kids fatter--they're also making them less happy. Once again I plead ignorance on school curriculum, but agree if they are taking it away that is not right. Playing tag, football, basketball and generally goofing off at recess and gym were moments to live for back then. The fact that kids under 10 that I do know of or have seen have almost unlimited access to video games and their own iPads is a bit out of whack as well which could contribute to less activity ( not blaming the kids for this, to be clear). Just an outsiders point of view. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parents or Health Department |
Tall Midget wrote: I agree, T-Bone. But I find it incredibly disturbing that so many communities in this country have cut school gym programs, recess, and playground budgets. One of the great joys of my youth was our daily softball and fastpitch games during recess or gym. Adults are not only making kids fatter--they're also making them less happy. Not only do I have to worry about public high schools passing out abortions to my kid but I now have to worry they are going to give my kid gastric bypass surgery! My parents had it so easy.
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| Author: | a retard [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parents or Health Department |
Do the North Andover schools have soda and candy machines? I hope not. The problem is so much bigger and certainly will not be solved by letters from the HD.
Proliferation of fast food; dual working parents, no time for proper, nutritious meals. Changed infrastructure design: As kids we could ride our bikes to stores, etc. Now there are no sidewalks, the stores are mega malls and you would be killed trying to get there. School program cuts and little/no recess. Highly competitive leagues vs. "everyone makes the team" Little/no education on how to eat, how to read labels, etc I could go on... |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:48 am ] |
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a retard wrote: Do the North Andover schools have soda and candy machines? I hope not. The problem is so much bigger and certainly will not be solved by letters from the HD.
Proliferation of fast food; dual working parents, no time for proper, nutritious meals. Changed infrastructure design: As kids we could ride our bikes to stores, etc. Now there are no sidewalks, the stores are mega malls and you would be killed trying to get there. School program cuts and little/no recess. Highly competitive leagues vs. "everyone makes the team" Little/no education on how to eat, how to read labels, etc I could go on... Yes but the only way to solve any of this is to send 10 year olds letters saying they are fat |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:45 pm ] |
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Health Department is the DB Who sends letters anymore? |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 pm ] |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:51 pm ] |
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This sounds like a job for Wonder Woman! 
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:11 pm ] |
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Well, let's see the kid before I decide. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:25 pm ] |
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BMI is the douchebag. It sets unrealistic levels. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:26 pm ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: BMI is the douchebag. It sets unrealistic levels. That's just an excuse that fat people say. |
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| Author: | Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Parents or Health Department |
Tall Midget wrote: I agree, T-Bone. But I find it incredibly disturbing that so many communities in this country have cut school gym programs, recess, and playground budgets. One of the great joys of my youth was our daily softball and fastpitch games during recess or gym. Adults are not only making kids fatter--they're also making them less happy. Unless things have changed in the many years since I enjoyed the pleasure of recess, the truly obese kids did not participate in recess sports and generally dreaded those required for gym class. Personally I always looked forward to gym but if the choice is dodgeball or science/geography/history etc then I would rather schools stick to book learnin'.Except for extreme circumstances a kids health is the domain of the parents and their doctor (who should be the one to lay the hammer down if necessary). |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:30 pm ] |
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Douchebag wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: BMI is the douchebag. It sets unrealistic levels. That's just an excuse that fat people say.  Yes but there is some truth to it as well. I would classify myself as fat. I'm certainly not obese though. I've lost 22lbs this year and I am still classified at the obese level. If I lose another 30, I'm still classified as overweight. Give me a fucking break.
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| Author: | Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:40 pm ] |
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote: Tall Midget wrote: I agree, T-Bone. But I find it incredibly disturbing that so many communities in this country have cut school gym programs, recess, and playground budgets. One of the great joys of my youth was our daily softball and fastpitch games during recess or gym. Adults are not only making kids fatter--they're also making them less happy. Unless things have changed in the many years since I enjoyed the pleasure of recess, the truly obese kids did not participate in recess sports and generally dreaded those required for gym class. Personally I always looked forward to gym but if the choice is dodgeball or science/geography/history etc then I would rather schools stick to book learnin'.Except for extreme circumstances a kids health is the domain of the parents and their doctor (who should be the one to lay the hammer down if necessary). I think you're presenting a false dicthotomy. Gym and recess are known to have positive effects on the mood and self-image of children; these benefits facilitate classroom learning. Not to mention that they also help settle kids down, another important factor in advancing academic progress. Physical and mental health are not antagonistic to one another; they are complementary. There are entire towns in the United States--particularly in the South--where the childhood obesity rate is over 70%, and in some cases approaches 90%. In many of these areas, there is no gym, no recess, no playgrounds. And the kids don't do particularly well from an academic perspective. But they do show signs of diabetes and heart disease from age ten and up. |
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| Author: | Krazy Ivan [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:42 pm ] |
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On the next Maury: HELP! My baby looks like DaaMaaaNeee! |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:48 pm ] |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:48 pm ] |
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Krazy Ivan wrote: On the next Maury: HELP! My baby looks like DaaMaaaNeee!
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:50 pm ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: Douchebag wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: BMI is the douchebag. It sets unrealistic levels. That's just an excuse that fat people say. Yes but there is some truth to it as well. I would classify myself as fat. I'm certainly not obese though. I've lost 22lbs this year and I am still classified at the obese level. If I lose another 30, I'm still classified as overweight. Give me a fucking break.Yeah, BMI isn't the best way to classify people health/size wise. It is just a very general calculation, very general and not specific at all. No accounting for fitness levels, blood work, body fat levels etc. According to the BMI Index I am obese. And let me tell you little tofu eating twinks a little secret.....SomeGuy is not obese, instead he is a red meat eating, heavy iron lifting madman who will rip your stupid head off and shit in it. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:52 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: Douchebag wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: BMI is the douchebag. It sets unrealistic levels. That's just an excuse that fat people say. Yes but there is some truth to it as well. I would classify myself as fat. I'm certainly not obese though. I've lost 22lbs this year and I am still classified at the obese level. If I lose another 30, I'm still classified as overweight. Give me a fucking break.Yeah, BMI isn't the best way to classify people health/size wise. It is just a very general calculation, very general and not specific at all. No accounting for fitness levels, blood work, body fat levels etc. According to the BMI Index I am obese. And let me tell you little tofu eating twinks a little secret.....SomeGuy is not obese, instead he is a red meat eating, heavy iron lifting madman who will rip your stupid head off and shit in it. I have no problems getting within the proper weight for my BMI |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:53 pm ] |
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Douchebag wrote: SomeGuy wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: Douchebag wrote: That's just an excuse that fat people say. Yes but there is some truth to it as well. I would classify myself as fat. I'm certainly not obese though. I've lost 22lbs this year and I am still classified at the obese level. If I lose another 30, I'm still classified as overweight. Give me a fucking break.Yeah, BMI isn't the best way to classify people health/size wise. It is just a very general calculation, very general and not specific at all. No accounting for fitness levels, blood work, body fat levels etc. According to the BMI Index I am obese. And let me tell you little tofu eating twinks a little secret.....SomeGuy is not obese, instead he is a red meat eating, heavy iron lifting madman who will rip your stupid head off and shit in it. I have no problems getting within the proper weight for my BMI Uh, Ok, what's your point? |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:54 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: Douchebag wrote: SomeGuy wrote: Hank Scorpio wrote: Yes but there is some truth to it as well. I would classify myself as fat. I'm certainly not obese though. I've lost 22lbs this year and I am still classified at the obese level. If I lose another 30, I'm still classified as overweight. Give me a fucking break.Yeah, BMI isn't the best way to classify people health/size wise. It is just a very general calculation, very general and not specific at all. No accounting for fitness levels, blood work, body fat levels etc. According to the BMI Index I am obese. And let me tell you little tofu eating twinks a little secret.....SomeGuy is not obese, instead he is a red meat eating, heavy iron lifting madman who will rip your stupid head off and shit in it. I have no problems getting within the proper weight for my BMI Uh, Ok, what's your point? Nothing, fatty. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:56 pm ] |
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REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL FUNNY |
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| Author: | Jugg [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:58 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLL FUNNY I thought you people were supposed to be jolly. #Truth |
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| Author: | Mini Ditka [ Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:59 pm ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: Give me a break. 
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