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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The War on Drugs |
Not a shocking nomination to be sure. Just thought many of you would "enjoy" this very simple, easy to digest graph demonstrating U.S. Drug Control Spending Versus U.S. Drug Addiction Rate from 1970-2010. I don't recall any of you folks saying anything positive about how we handle drugs in this country, which you should be commended for. If you happen to think otherwise, you're a fucking idiot; either way, please proceed to your previously mentioned graph. It's even animated, for your extended viewing pleasure. http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/10/12/drug-spending-v-addiction.gif edit: perhaps I should begin taking drugs; nice url, fatass. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Tall Midget spoke of the evolving War on ____ campaigns and how some believe its just a way to keep the prison population intact. Im 97% sure it was TM |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
I've seen that before... What a colossal waste of money, resources, manpower and time. But it's all part of the Law Enforcement Industry, it's a titanic money maker and employer just like the MIC. I wonder how many lives have been ruined and families destroyed by "The War on Drugs?" |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
rogers park bryan wrote: Im 97% sure it was TM It was Kid Cairo. I think. I can't tell them apart. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Darkside wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Im 97% sure it was TM It was Kid Cairo. I think. I can't tell them apart. No, it wasnt Cairo. Im positive it was either Tall Midget or Kujoe |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Don Tiny wrote: . [url]U.S. Drug Control Spending Versus U.S. Drug Addiction Rate: 1970-2010 [gif] Chart by Matt Groff[/url] That's some nice work there Lou. 
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Here is a nice website. http://www.drugsense.org/cms/ |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
rogers park bryan wrote: Im positive it was either Tall Midget or Kujoe 
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
The war on drugs is handled poorly but addiction rates aren't really a good barometer of success or failure. After all, it's possible without the war on drugs that addiction rates would be much higher than they are today. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: The war on drugs is handled poorly but addiction rates aren't really a good barometer of success or failure. After all, it's possible without the war on drugs that addiction rates would be much higher than they are today. And it's possible they would be even lower. What's your point? |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
war, what is it good for? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
W_Z wrote: war, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing? |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Darkside wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Im 97% sure it was TM It was Kid Cairo. I think. I can't tell them apart.
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
I think it was Portugal that made all drugs legal? or some of the more popular ones and crime rate took a huge drop. Someone else can go look it up. Maybe it was Maywood? |
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| Author: | lipidquadcab [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Don Tiny wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: The war on drugs is handled poorly but addiction rates aren't really a good barometer of success or failure. After all, it's possible without the war on drugs that addiction rates would be much higher than they are today. And it's possible they would be even lower. What's your point? I think the underlined part was his point. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Don Tiny wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: The war on drugs is handled poorly but addiction rates aren't really a good barometer of success or failure. After all, it's possible without the war on drugs that addiction rates would be much higher than they are today. And it's possible they would be even lower. What's your point? The War on Drugs is flawed, but the idea of the War on Drugs is not. To put it another way, if you made the same chart superimposed with violent crime in America you'd find that the War on Drugs was a huge success in lowering violent crime in America. Now did it? Probably not. To put it another way, there are probably idiots that will get addicted to cocaine/crystal meth/heroin whether it's legal or illegal. That's why the numbers are likely pretty constant. It's just like how people get addicted to legal drugs. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
bigfan wrote: I think it was Portugal that made all drugs legal? or some of the more popular ones and crime rate took a huge drop. Someone else can go look it up. Maybe it was Maywood? Yes, it was Portugal. They legalized all drugs. Instead of locking up addicts, they get the rehab that they need. Crime rates and addiction rates were down. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Darkside wrote: W_Z wrote: war, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing? good god, ya'll. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
SO if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Don Tiny wrote: SO if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? Jailing minorities? |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Don Tiny wrote: SO if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? Maximizing state/local employment? Making contractors and equipment manufactures flush with cash? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Don Tiny wrote: SO The point is it's impossible to tell if it had an effect on addiction. I can point out multiple addictive drugs/drug variants that have come out. It may be an accomplishment that with the widespread introduction of crack and crystal meth and other drugs that addiction rates have been stagnant. Even now, legal drugs are addicted to at a rate far too high for my liking.if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? Basically, the drug problem is much bigger than who gets reported as addicted. Therefore, using addiction vs. dollars spent(without factoring in inflation) may be a flawed metric or at least a metric that doesn't tell us enough. If we take this graph at face value, then the war on drugs has made a massive difference in violent crime since violent crime in the 80s and early 90s was significantly worse. I don't know if either is true. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Darkside wrote: Don Tiny wrote: SO if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? Jailing minorities? Giving more power to drug lords in Mexico. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
SomeGuy wrote: Don Tiny wrote: SO if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? Maximizing state/local employment? Making contractors and equipment manufactures flush with cash? I cannot improve on this post (other than to include Darko's) 
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Don Tiny wrote: SO The point is it's impossible to tell if it had an effect on addiction. I can point out multiple addictive drugs/drug variants that have come out. It may be an accomplishment that with the widespread introduction of crack and crystal meth and other drugs that addiction rates have been stagnant. Even now, legal drugs are addicted to at a rate far too high for my liking.if all that money was not spent on reducing addiction rates, what the bloody fuck was that money spent for then? Basically, the drug problem is much bigger than who gets reported as addicted. Therefore, using addiction vs. dollars spent(without factoring in inflation) may be a flawed metric or at least a metric that doesn't tell us enough. If we take this graph at face value, then the war on drugs has made a massive difference in violent crime since violent crime in the 80s and early 90s was significantly worse. I don't know if either is true. I love that you are falling all over yourself to point out you don't know one thing or another. The question was, and remains, what justification for that amount of money exists, if not addiction rates? |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
You know Obama would love to smoke a joint these days! #CHOOM GANG |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
More prisons,more cops,more drones flying in drug ravaged areas! 
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The War on Drugs |
bigfan wrote: You know Obama would love to smoke a joint these days! He probably does. |
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