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Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:00 am ]
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With the exception of New York, part of New England, and a few states where people tend not to live.

It's interesting how people who wants college athletes' wages forever frozen at zero have no issue with coaches' compensation getting to skyrocket commensurate with the growth of college sports.

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:09 am ]
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the great state of Maine seems to be the only one with its priorities in order

Author:  conns7901 [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:10 am ]
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At some point that bubble will burst.

Author:  Brick [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:12 am ]
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Wow. You are late to this party.

This is exactly how it should be. Blame professional sports. They pay more, so colleges have to pay more to compete and generate money. It's the best investment these schools can make. Well, I guess they could pay terribly, play in front of empty stadiums, see a massive reduction in donations both to the athletic and academic programs, cut non-revenue generating(see girls sports) sports. Then, people who don't even like college sports could celebrate that in Minnesota the highest paid government employee is some guy who runs a medical school or is a Governor!

Oh, and by the way, most people want college athletes to get a little extra above the scholarship.

It's interesting how people think that college athletes should be paid based on the overinflated market rates they think they would get get mad when college football and basketball coaches are paid actual market rates because they actually have the ability to get work in the NFL or NBA and need to be compensated based on that demand.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:12 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
the great state of Maine seems to be the only one with its priorities in order

Nevada knows who they are and what they're good for....

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:13 am ]
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Evidently, so does Nevada.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:13 am ]
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I'm surprised that with all the rampant corruption in Cook County government, the highest salary still belongs to Tim Beckman. And downstate says they want to secede to spend their tax dollars more efficiently.

Oh and here's Boilermaker Rick.

Author:  Brick [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:14 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Oh and here's Boilermaker Rick.
Yup. Looking forward to another thread where you ignore the actual reasoning behind things and instead you basically find different ways of saying "COLLEGE SPORTS IS SUCK!".

Author:  Chus [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:19 am ]
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New Hampshire = racists

Author:  Brick [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:28 am ]
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Let's roleplay here. You are a college President. A man walks into your office and says this.

Man: Hello, I have a unique set of skills. I can go to a private organization and make double what you are willing to pay me. However, I have a proven track record of bringing in double what I make in terms of grants, donations, and attention. I will raise the profile of the entire University. All I ask in return is that you pay me an amount that will make me the highest paid public employee in the state.

Do you hire him? Do you even think about it?

If you did, then you made the correct choice.
If you do not hire them, then you just turned down the man who is the guy on the map for New York, and your University is worse off. You also turned down most of the other people too.

Moral of the story: You get paid what you can get. Coaches can get more. Surgeons can get more. College Presidents can get more. That's what the chart really says. If you were to fire every coach on there for being too expensive, you'd do the same for the others too.

Author:  Scorehead [ Mon May 20, 2013 10:50 am ]
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New Hampshire has it right. Maine is really screwed up.

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:05 am ]
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I'd be pissed if I was a college president (or custodial engineer for that matter) in connecticut

Author:  Tad Queasy [ Mon May 20, 2013 1:05 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
I'd be pissed if I was a college president (or custodial engineer for that matter) in connecticut


:lol: No shit.

Author:  MattInTheCrown [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:06 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Wow. You are late to this party.

This is exactly how it should be. Blame professional sports. They pay more, so colleges have to pay more to compete and generate money. It's the best investment these schools can make. Well, I guess they could pay terribly, play in front of empty stadiums, see a massive reduction in donations both to the athletic and academic programs, cut non-revenue generating(see girls sports) sports. Then, people who don't even like college sports could celebrate that in Minnesota the highest paid government employee is some guy who runs a medical school or is a Governor!

Oh, and by the way, most people want college athletes to get a little extra above the scholarship.

It's interesting how people think that college athletes should be paid based on the overinflated market rates they think they would get get mad when college football and basketball coaches are paid actual market rates because they actually have the ability to get work in the NFL or NBA and need to be compensated based on that demand.

Or, colleges could, like, teach people things.

Author:  Brick [ Mon May 20, 2013 3:21 pm ]
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MattInTheCrown wrote:
Or, colleges could, like, teach people things.
All the money the academic side gets in donations and the national exposure and increased demand to attend there helps a lot with that.

There is a reason that Michigan State is at another level than Indiana State.

Author:  Irish Boy [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:41 pm ]
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You could have made this chart at any time in the last century and it would have looked substantially identical.

Author:  bigfan [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:48 pm ]
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Ch

Obviousely you have some issue with college sports or just understand the economic impact it can have in any area...including and especially Chicago. You have an area of 7 mill people and almost zero college bball success over the past 25 years.

But, when teams did well, they showed what they can do.

I might even venture to say without DePaul the Rosemont Horizon never gets built.

A college football/bball coach is the one man responsible for an entire program and it's success. They do need the permission of an AD to do what they need to do (See Nick Saban)

How much do you think Nick Saban is worth to Tuscaloosa? and the State of Alabama in general? $100 mill? The auxillary revenue generated by a National Championship program is exponentially more than whatever they pay the highest paid coach in America.

When Professor Adams make U of Bama or the state another $10 mill, then he will be worth it as well.

CH, just not an impressive run this short week.

Author:  good dolphin [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:12 am ]
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Irish Boy wrote:
You could have made this chart at any time in the last century and it would have looked substantially identical.


You probably could have made a similar chart since the beginning of history. Scholars have pretty much always had to live on the wealth of a patron even at the height of appreciation this type of work. Plato secretely mfed society for valueing two dudes dropping trow, greasing up and wrestling over his work. When he told everyone the perfect society would have a philospher as its leader, everyone told him he was hockey gay.

Author:  bigfan [ Tue May 21, 2013 10:43 am ]
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I bet D Rose attended memphis because of it's Finance Professors!

Author:  Psycory [ Tue May 21, 2013 8:00 pm ]
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Pennsylvania is wrong, Penn State is not a "state school." It is a private "state affiliated" school. Even if it was, the amount paid to the coach would not be coming out of state funds, private boosters foot the bill for how much he gets paid. I'm sure that's a similar tactic at other schools as well.

Author:  Brick [ Wed May 22, 2013 8:09 am ]
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Psycory wrote:
Pennsylvania is wrong, Penn State is not a "state school." It is a private "state affiliated" school. Even if it was, the amount paid to the coach would not be coming out of state funds, private boosters foot the bill for how much he gets paid. I'm sure that's a similar tactic at other schools as well.
The creator of the image explained it in the comments section. Penn State receives government money so it's a public school to him. It makes his graphic more interesting, though I would guess that Pittsburgh would also have the highest paid employee if they didn't count.

He also explained what you mention about private boosters. He said that most schools receive aid from the university from either student fees or direct subsidies. This completely ignores the painfully obvious point that many people simply refuse to acknowledge which is that the shortfall of money for many universities is because of women's sports which are virtually charity organizations giving free college to women with above average skills in sports that no one in America really care about.

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