First time I agreed with you on a basketball thought Nas.
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Greg Popovich |
You looked like a rookie the entire 4th quarter and overtime. Terrible coaching. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Gotta disagree with you here. They had a chance to go up four with less than ten seconds left. His guys missed FTs. Nothing you can do about that. There's no OT if Ginobli hits 2/2, and same with Leonard after him. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
I though Joey Crawford was going to be the reason for a game 7? |
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| Author: | spmack [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
First time I agreed with you on a basketball thought Nas.
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
They got back in the game because he started the 4th quarter like it was the 6th game of the season. He didn't have Duncan in the game on 2 crucial possessions even though Bosh was in. He doesn't call timeout to bring Parker back in the game. There were other bad decisions but they stood out at the time. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
spmack wrote: First time I agreed with you on a basketball thought Nas. It's never too late to learn. 
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Nas wrote: They got back in the game because he started the 4th quarter like it was the 6th game of the season. He didn't have Duncan in the game on 2 crucial possessions even though Bosh was in. He doesn't call timeout to bring Parker back in the game. There were other bad decisions but they stood out at the time. They started out bad but took a two-possession lead with less than a minute to go. They had it all wrapped up. The Duncan thing during Allen's shot was strategy; they needed mobile defenders against the Heat's shooters. The ball bounced the wrong way and they got a second look. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Duncan should have been in the game with Bosh. No excuse for that. Pop sucked when it mattered most. |
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| Author: | ZephMarshack [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
veganfan21 wrote: Nas wrote: They got back in the game because he started the 4th quarter like it was the 6th game of the season. He didn't have Duncan in the game on 2 crucial possessions even though Bosh was in. He doesn't call timeout to bring Parker back in the game. There were other bad decisions but they stood out at the time. They started out bad but took a two-possession lead with less than a minute to go. They had it all wrapped up. The Duncan thing during Allen's shot was strategy; they needed mobile defenders against the Heat's shooters. The ball bounced the wrong way and they got a second look. If you're excusing the Allen shot as purely an unfortunate break, then you also have to attribute Parker making a hail mary 3 and the Spurs taking the lead in the first place to luck and not coaching strategy as well. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
I'm not sure what you mean here. The Allen shot was a broken play; the initial, set play was defended well, and James missed. The Parker shot was a one on one move, and not a hail mary. My main point here was the Spurs lost the game on missed free throws. I don't think Pop is blameless, but he can't do much about those missed FTs in regulation time. |
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| Author: | ZephMarshack [ Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Parker took a fadeaway contested 3 after James stymied anything else he could possibly do and there was nothing else going on offsensively. And dismissing the Allen shot as the product of a broken play, when the reason to have your best big man in the game in the first place is precisely to prevent such broken plays, doesn't exactly excuse the decision. Again though, I still find his lineup at the start of the 4th to be far more problematic, as it shouldn't have come down to late-game FTs in the first place. Further, it's extremely skewed to act like the late-game lead was primarily a result of Popovich's coaching brilliance, but the loss itself wasn't a product of his flaws. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
A lot of what you're saying makes sense, but I did not mean to suggest the lead in the fourth was a result of coaching brilliance. As for the Parker three, I don't know what the play was at that moment, but it plausibly could have been an isolation play. If so, the credit goes to Parker. I see what you and Nas are saying about the Allen three, so I guess I wouldn't object too strongly to criticism of Pop for that play. I forgot what the lineup was at the start of the fourth, but let's not forget to credit Miami. They were down ten with one quarter to go at home. They were going to make a run. |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Lebron sucked in the final couple of minutes of regulation. He cried foul after every miss even when there was no foul. One of his misses missed so bad it hit backboard only creating an awkward bounce that went back to the Heat for a 2nd chance FG. Lebron again proving he's no Jordan. I think the Heat will win game 7. I know Lebron is an asshole. Win or lose. |
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| Author: | ZephMarshack [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
I meant to mention this last night, but Spolestra deserves just as much shit for putting Wade back in and killing all of the Heat's offensive fluidity at the end of the game. Fear of the shooters was what was creating lanes for Lebron, but after Wade came back in the Spurs simply clogged the middle and were able to go on the run that gave them the lead. And once back in the game, Wade proceeded to take several poor shots as well, including an absolutely horrible one in the last 30 seconds of the game. |
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| Author: | Bucky Chris [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Make 1 more FT down the stretch and Pop is a genius |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Couldn't agree more about Wade. I was thinking the same thing after it happened. LeBron was playing great basketball and that killed their momentum. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Bucky Chris wrote: Make 1 more FT down the stretch and Pop is a genius No. Most people would just overlook his poor decisions. That's what happens. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Bucky Chris wrote: Make 1 more FT down the stretch and Pop is a genius I get what you are saying, but I don't know about that. I think even if they win it people are questioning some of the moves. It was just a very unPop like game. Even the best have bad moments. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Pop overthought himself last night. At certain points in the game, you have your BEST players in. I don't care if it's a matchup issue. He was too cute in having Parker and Duncan out at times when you simply needed your best players in the game. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
There really is no argument Tony Parker was on the bench for the last 10 seconds of OT in a one possession close out game. This was after Duncan sat for a good portion of the last minute. Not to mention leaving Ginobli in. But I think the Parker thing was the worst There is no way you gain as much on D as you lose on O with Parker out And why the hell didnt they call the time out when they got the rebound with 9 seconds left? |
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| Author: | Brian's Mojito [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
If you're going to slam a guy, spell his name correctly, please.  Gregg -- the last G is for genius Those late-game moves are questionable -- to say the least -- but have we heard the reasons for the decisions? It appears the anger at "Pop" stems more from the fact that Miami might now win the series, and he is the sole reason for it. Simmons said it was the worst lost since Game 6 of the 1988 finals. Really - did Duncan or Parker suffer an injury that would severely incapacitate them or take them out of Game 7 -- like the fate of Isaiah. Nope! Saying that this series is now over is a complete stretch if you take into account the uncanny ebb and flow of this series. We just don't know. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Spurs got this..... |
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| Author: | Dallas Winston [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Nas wrote: They got back in the game because he started the 4th quarter like it was the 6th game of the season. He didn't have Duncan in the game on 2 crucial possessions even though Bosh was in. He doesn't call timeout to bring Parker back in the game. There were other bad decisions but they stood out at the time. Not calling a timeout on that last drive, and letting Duncan sit on the bench allowing Miami to jack up threes until they hit one(Ray fucking Allen nonetheless)was inexcusable! Vinnie Del Popovich!!!! |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Dallas Winston wrote: Nas wrote: They got back in the game because he started the 4th quarter like it was the 6th game of the season. He didn't have Duncan in the game on 2 crucial possessions even though Bosh was in. He doesn't call timeout to bring Parker back in the game. There were other bad decisions but they stood out at the time. Not calling a timeout on that last drive in regulation, and letting Duncan sit on the bench allowing Miami to jack up threes until they hit one(Ray fucking Allen nonetheless)was inexcusable! Vinnie Del Popovich!!!! Not that this excuses it, but I was thinking about the timeout and he probably told Manu to push the ball up and when he gets past half court CAll a timeout unless there is a lane or your running. He DID kinda have a lane. Why no Parker AFTER the timeout? |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Brian's Mojito wrote: If you're going to slam a guy, spell his name correctly, please. Gregg -- the last G is for genius Those late-game moves are questionable -- to say the least -- but have we heard the reasons for the decisions? It appears the anger at "Pop" stems more from the fact that Miami might now win the series, and he is the sole reason for it. Simmons said it was the worst lost since Game 6 of the 1988 finals. Really - did Duncan or Parker suffer an injury that would severely incapacitate them or take them out of Game 7 -- like the fate of Isaiah. Nope! Saying that this series is now over is a complete stretch if you take into account the uncanny ebb and flow of this series. We just don't know. Mentally getting over a loss like this in 48 hours will be nearly impossible. On the other side Miami has supreme confidence and history on their side. No road team has won a Game 7 in nearly 40 yrars. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
BTW if we are ranking who is more responsible for the defeat Ginobili comes before Pop. It appeared like he was purposely trying to lose the game. I can't recall seeing anything like that. I believe their should be an investigation. He has to owe someone money or his family is being held hostage. That is the only reasonable way to explain his performance. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
The fourth qrt substitution of Duncan was problematic. I also thought there was too much one on one from Tony Parker when Duncan was the one that had it going. I don't know if that was by design or it was just a product of the game's evolution. Getting Duncan the ball should have been a point of emphasis though. Miami was beginning to double team him which should have opened up some shots for their shooters. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Nas wrote: BTW if we are ranking who is more responsible for the defeat Ginobili comes before Pop. It appeared like he was purposely trying to lose the game. I can't recall seeing anything like that. I believe their should be an investigation. He has to owe someone money or his family is being held hostage. That is the only reasonable way to explain his performance. After some rest I've come around to agreeing with you and everyone else about Pop sitting Duncan. He had to be on the floor. Still think FTs and Ginobli's defection should be high on the blame list. This is one of those Miami didn't win it, the Spurs lost it kinda games. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
Did Duncan even have 10 points in the 2nd half? He went AWOL and they floundered with LeBron on Parker. Where was Duncan? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greg Popovich |
SomeGuy wrote: Did Duncan even have 10 points in the 2nd half? He went AWOL and they floundered with LeBron on Parker. Where was Duncan? Five years ago I probably would have asked the same question, but at 37 I think it's likely that he gave all he had. A good Ginobli would have helped, but him and Wade have clearly lost a step. Leonard needs to be featured more. |
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