So if someone here were to start harassing you via PM everyday you wouldn't ask Biggie to make that person stop?

Why couldn't he just be a man about it and hit the other guy with a dumbbell?

The continued pussification of America/NFL?

Speaking of, lots of traitors crawling back to take advantage of that which they once scorned and denigrated.

Wachu talking bout? I wasn't part of the board that will not be named.

That's the problem with ending a long tradition of hazing. Nobody wants it to stop after they've been through it and now they're on top.

Wonder if he ever said NO or stop?

That's the problem with ending a long tradition of hazing. Nobody wants it to stop after they've been through it and now they're on top.

I'm wondering if he ever tried to defend himself.

Spot on.

Can agree 100% from some of my more regrettable fraternity decisions.

That's the first inclination, but you don't mess with crazy people. You think Incognito isn't crazy and likely has guns and shit? I'm sure other players were involved too. Nobody needs to deal with that shit.

Well we need to hear about those players too. Not just the easy target. I still believe if he would have defended himself the stuff would have ended. Instead he lived in daily fear because of what he didn't do. I'm in agreement that it isn't something he should have to deal with but in life the same can be said about a lot of things.

Well we need to hear about those players too. Not just the easy target. I still believe if he would have defended himself the stuff would have ended. Instead he lived in daily fear because of what he didn't do. I'm in agreement that it isn't something he should have to deal with but in life the same can be said about a lot of things.

I agree, he should have (if he didn't initially-hard to know) stood up for himself and told Incognito to fuck off. But this is a guy with a history of physical altercations with opposing players AND teammates. He's a classic bully who has perfected his bullying techniques. It wasn't just Martin who was forced to pay for player nights out and vacations. There were others who have not been named yet. Maybe never will be. It's just that Martin made the decision to allow his representatives to come forward with the voicemail and tell people what has been taking place there. Because he made that decision, I have to wonder if he might be shunned by teammates now. What happens in a locker room is supposed to stay there.

No, it goes much deeper than that. Richie Incognito has been a problem since college at Nebraska. He got into fights with teammates as well as opposing players over the years, had troubles with alcohol/drug abuse. The Rams got rid of him because he was a problem not only because he was heavily penalized for being a dirty player, but had argued with the coaches as well, when they tried to rein in his behavior that was detrimental to the team. He's just a bad guy. The voicemail was just the cherry on top. But because it could be put out there for public consumption, it was hard not to act on.

And yet, their teammates don't support Martin.

I love how Icognito did the PSA announcement for the Dolphins about how the fans aren't supposed to act and no swearing or drunken behavior and how to treat each other. Doh!!!!!

Didn't Elmhurst Steve once brag about some high school hazing he was part of? Maybe it was in college.

Steve, have you ever bullied anyone?