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Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:47 am ]
Post subject:  Gar Forman
He should have looked into trading Derek Rose this past off-season like I said. Not necessarily trade him, but at least investigate what he could have gotten in a deal. Rose has never been a good point guard, his assist to turnover ratio is awful. His defense has now reverted back to being awful, rather than just average which it had ascended to a couple years ago. Sure, his shooting will improve and he will have great offensive games. But because he wasn't smart enough to change his game he is going to continue to be injured more and more. Any smaller player that attacks the rim regularly is going to take a pounding and injuries ensue. As the player gets older, the injuries will only be more frequent. Had he changed his game to become a better facilitator and a true point guard, he and the team would have been better off. Knowing long ago that was not his intention Forman should have investigated a trade.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
How do you know he didnt explore a trade?
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Rose has never been a good point guard, his assist to turnover ratio is awful.

Rose has never really played a true PG position. Comparing his numbers to other players at that position does not really work.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
rogers park bryan wrote:
How do you know he didnt explore a trade?


Because when Gar talked in the off-season about Deng and Boozer and the introduction of Butler to the starting lineup everything always revolved around Derek. Every plan for this season and the pieces (Dunleavy) that were added, as well as any plans for the future always revolved around him as well.
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Every plan for this season and the pieces (Dunleavy) that were added, as well as any plans for the future always revolved around him as well.

What a crazy idea. Building around your best player and former MVP. I would fire this GM in a second and bring in someone who knows what they are doing.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Douchebag wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Rose has never been a good point guard, his assist to turnover ratio is awful.

Rose has never really played a true PG position. Comparing his numbers to other players at that position does not really work.


Okay, so we have a guy who is not a good facilitator of the offense. Who does not defend opposing point guards well. Who is too short to play the shooting guard position....... good reasons to investigate a trade.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Douchebag wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Every plan for this season and the pieces (Dunleavy) that were added, as well as any plans for the future always revolved around him as well.

What a crazy idea. Building around your best player and former MVP. I would fire this GM in a second and bring in someone who knows what they are doing.


The truth is, he never should have won that MVP. LeBron was the superior player that season. Derek is not near the player he was that season, as injuries have taken a toll. Those injuries are likely to continue, due to his style of play and the fact he is a smaller player. To trade him while his value was relatively high would have been smart. It takes balls to trade a guy who has an MVP (deserved or not) and is a hometown kid. But making smart moves, rather than popular moves is the job of the GM.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Steve, its Derrick, not Derek

And while we're at it, it's Church's, not Churches
Author:  Bagels [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
It takes balls to trade a guy who has an MVP (deserved or not) and is a hometown kid. But making smart moves, rather than popular moves is the job of the GM.


this type of trade rarely, if ever, works
you never get a good enough return for a superstar
you can point out negative aspects of his game or say he shouldn't have won MVP but regardless, he's a superstar
tell me the last time a superstar was traded and the team that traded him got good value in return . shaq? barkley ? iverson?
generally trading quality for quantity isn't a good idea
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Bagels wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
It takes balls to trade a guy who has an MVP (deserved or not) and is a hometown kid. But making smart moves, rather than popular moves is the job of the GM.


this type of trade rarely, if ever, works
you never get a good enough return for a superstar
you can point out negative aspects of his game or say he shouldn't have won MVP but regardless, he's a superstar
tell me the last time a superstar was traded and the team that traded him got good value in return . shaq? barkley ? iverson?
generally trading quality for quantity isn't a good idea


How about Herschel Walker?
Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Bagels wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
It takes balls to trade a guy who has an MVP (deserved or not) and is a hometown kid. But making smart moves, rather than popular moves is the job of the GM.


this type of trade rarely, if ever, works
you never get a good enough return for a superstar
you can point out negative aspects of his game or say he shouldn't have won MVP but regardless, he's a superstar
tell me the last time a superstar was traded and the team that traded him got good value in return . shaq? barkley ? iverson?
generally trading quality for quantity isn't a good idea


How about Hershel Walker?

Great evidence. A trade in a different sport that happened nearly 25 years ago.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
How about Hershel Walker?


How about 'Herschel', you half-wit.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Douchebag wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Bagels wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
It takes balls to trade a guy who has an MVP (deserved or not) and is a hometown kid. But making smart moves, rather than popular moves is the job of the GM.


this type of trade rarely, if ever, works
you never get a good enough return for a superstar
you can point out negative aspects of his game or say he shouldn't have won MVP but regardless, he's a superstar
tell me the last time a superstar was traded and the team that traded him got good value in return . shaq? barkley ? iverson?
generally trading quality for quantity isn't a good idea


How about Herschel Walker?

Great evidence. A trade in a different sport that happened nearly 25 years ago.


You asked for an example....
Author:  Bagels [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Douchebag wrote:


Great evidence. A trade in a different sport that happened nearly 25 years ago.


You asked for an example....


actually I did
Author:  Darkside [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
:lol: Yet another thread in which Steve really comes out looking great. :lol:
Author:  Brick [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Babe Ruth trade.
Author:  conns7901 [ Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Gar Forman
The James Harden Trade worked well for the THunder :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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