Every time a weather event happens, like the unfortunate one yesterday, comment sections and other means of communications are filled with people blaming global warming. Every time the story is different. "But it's November!", "Hurricanes never hit this far north before!", "I don't remember this being like this because my lack of knowledge is proof that something is true".

Then, when nothing happens, like this years hurricane season, those same people don't figure out that weather is mostly non-destructive with serious and sometimes catastrophic results and it has been like that for hundreds of thousands to millions of years. The Midwest is just in a very poor spot for tornadoes. Before the internal combustion engine was invented, storms were doing this.

I'm not even a global warming denier. It's clearly getting warmer. I just can't stand how uneducated people take one or two occurrences to make massive proclamations. No one around here was blaming global warming for no hurricanes even being a threat. Somehow though, global warming was to blame last year and not the fact that we live on an ocean and hurricanes are all over the ocean and eventually most coasts get hit by them.

One or two? when was the last normal storm we had? THey all seem to be destructive.

This goes both ways. When it is 40 and snowing in May or June you have those that will say the weather proves global warming isn't true.

Agree 100%. Remember after Hurricane Katrina, they told us to expect increase gulf hurricanes. When was the last time FL was hit?

I just heard them blame the Philippines typhoon on global warming.

They hit New Jersey and the Philippines, instead of Florida, so that proves that global warming is a hoax?



The ocean temperature was 86 degrees when Haiyan hit. You know, warmer than it used to be.

Is CSFMB really harboring global warming deniers? Any Holocaust deniers here now that IMU is gone? Let's get all the nutjobs out in the open.

According to this link it was near-average. http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/super-typhoon-haiyans-intensification-and-unusually-warm-subsurface-

Subsurface temperatures were higher than expected though.

The Phillippines is a pretty poor example though because they constantly get storms like this. They are like the Oklahoma and Kansas for hurricanes.

There isn't one event to prove or disprove anything. I could list hundreds of examples. New Jersey is a pretty good one. The biggest hurricane ever, hit New Jersey at the end of October.

The rising ocean water temperatures are causing storms to be more deadly. This isn't conjecture, it's a proven fact. It's too bad we weren't warned twenty years ago.

The whole idea that Florida didn't get hit with a hurricane, so global warming isn't real, is just a ridiculous position to take.

Sandy was a category 1 storm and was as bad is it was because of a cold front that happened to hit at the exact wrong time and how it happened to follow a path that was virtually the worst possible scenario. Category 3 hurricanes have hit New York/New Jersey before.
That may be true but at this point it still isn't a proven fact. http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/top10.asp Look specifically at the number of major hurricanes. Only 3 of those years are from later than 1965.
Who said global warming isn't real?

The point here is that you can't take a few small anecdotes and make grand proclamations. There was barely any hurricane threat this whole year for the East Coast. If Hurricane Sandy was proof of global warming is causing this then isn't that proof global warming isn't?

You can't keep making excuses for any example I have used. Yes, NY and NJ have been hit by hurricanes before. This was the largest tropical system EVER. And it hit NJ in late October.

Why can't I count a hurricane that hits The Philippines? It happened. It counts. Tell the people that lost everything that it doesn't count. There are only a few areas on the planet where hurricanes occur, so of course I am going to count them.

Same thing with tornadoes. Tornadoes in KS and OK count. They happen. 70% of the world's tornadoes happen in this country. You tell me which ones count.

The real question is can human beings have an effect on the climate?

Yes we can.

I am not a global warming denier. I am open to both sides of the debate because I know for sure the alarmists have oversold the impact. They now admit that the temperatures are not rising anywhere near as fast as they predicted given the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

I have always contended that the greens should push for better pollution control, conservation, and a shift to cleaner energy sources on the grounds that less pollution is better. What they have tried to do instead is scare everyone to the point of losing credibility with a large portion of the population. There is a balance between economic growth and environmental regulation.

The IceCaps are melting. That's a fact, right?

And now it's global COOLING! Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29% in a year

533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

What I don't understand is, I thought science was about fact-finding and a perpetual search for knowledge as research reveals more evidence. So why, when the observed climate is in conflict with the models, is there not an attempt to learn why that is so, along with admissions that the models are not accurate and the predictions were wrong? Instead, "science" is doubling-down, determined to prove the old hypothesis correct regardless of recent observations?

Science used to be about skepticism. Prove that a theory is right. Now, we have to blindingly accept the theory and explain away facts to the contrary.

What I don't understand is, I thought science was about fact-finding and a perpetual search for knowledge as research reveals more evidence.

That is what science is. It became about "proof" in the last 50 years of the 20th century.