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Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:44 pm ]
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Anyone supporting laws making it ILLEGAL TO FEED HUNGRY PEOPLE is a fucking asshole.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/26/us/as ... ef=us&_r=0

Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:54 pm ]
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I would say the bigger problem is how poor of a job our government does in handling the homeless but I'm sure you would get mad at me for saying they should do more.

Author:  Darkside [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:56 pm ]
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Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.

Author:  jimmypasta [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:57 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I would say the bigger problem is how poor of a job our government does in handling the homeless but I'm sure you would get mad at me for saying they should do more.


It's scary how many people are just a few non-paychecks away from being homeless. It is much more than drunken derelicts and junkies.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:58 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I would say the bigger problem is how poor of a job our government does in handling the homeless but I'm sure you would get mad at me for saying they should do more.

I wouldn't get mad but I don't agree.

Surely we can both agree though that a good start would be to not make it illegal for the private sector to feed them.

Author:  Spaulding [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:03 pm ]
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They need more facilities than just feeding them. Both sides have a point here.

I'd prefer people do it not the gov.

Author:  Mr. Reason [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:08 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I would say the bigger problem is how poor of a job our government does in handling the homeless but I'm sure you would get mad at me for saying they should do more.

I wouldn't get mad but I don't agree.

Surely we can both agree though that a good start would be to not make it illegal for the private sector to feed them.

If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.

Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:22 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I would say the bigger problem is how poor of a job our government does in handling the homeless but I'm sure you would get mad at me for saying they should do more.

I wouldn't get mad but I don't agree.

Surely we can both agree though that a good start would be to not make it illegal for the private sector to feed them.
It's not making it illegal. It's saying you can't turn public places into makeshift homeless shelters. The private sector can purchase or rent whatever they want to feed them. I know it is heartless but I think any of us would struggle with having a huge line of homeless people right outside your house all the time.
Mr. Reason wrote:
If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.
The private sector does a horrible job too. This is one of the examples that is terrible for the "small government" movement.

Author:  KDdidit [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:25 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.

Fuck you Ronald Reagan.

Author:  Mr. Reason [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:26 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.
The private sector does a horrible job too. This is one of the examples that is terrible for the "small government" movement.

Why do you say private sector charites/churches/food banks etc. do a horrible job?

Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:30 pm ]
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Mr. Reason wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.
The private sector does a horrible job too. This is one of the examples that is terrible for the "small government" movement.

Why do you say private sector charites/churches/food banks etc. do a horrible job?
It's a massive problem in the United States. Imagine if the government didn't do anything. It would be even worse. The private sector could step in now if they wanted.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:36 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.

That's not outside the box. That is the box.

Author:  Mr. Reason [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:38 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.
The private sector does a horrible job too. This is one of the examples that is terrible for the "small government" movement.

Why do you say private sector charites/churches/food banks etc. do a horrible job?
It's a massive problem in the United States. Imagine if the government didn't do anything. It would be even worse. The private sector could step in now if they wanted.

Nothing you said points to the horrible job the private sector does in managing the resources it has. The government throws trillions at this problem, yet, it's still there. You think the private sector may be able to manage those trillions more efficiently with better results? I do.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:39 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
If the private sector does it and does it better, then government would be unnecessary. We can't have that.
The private sector does a horrible job too. This is one of the examples that is terrible for the "small government" movement.

Why do you say private sector charites/churches/food banks etc. do a horrible job?
It's a massive problem in the United States. Imagine if the government didn't do anything. It would be even worse. The private sector could step in now if they wanted.

:lol:

Imagine if the private sector didn't do anything.

Author:  Spaulding [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:41 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.


That's part of it. Substance abuse is an issue. My uncle was homeless for a year or two, but the really sad thing is he chose it.

Author:  Mr. Reason [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:44 pm ]
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Spaulding wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.


That's part of it. Substance abuse is an issue. My uncle was homeless for a year or two, but the really sad thing is he chose it.

For some, it is a lifestyle choice. Life is all about what you want.

Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:48 pm ]
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Mr. Reason wrote:
Nothing you said points to the horrible job the private sector does in managing the resources it has. The government throws trillions at this problem, yet, it's still there. You think the private sector may be able to manage those trillions more efficiently with better results? I do.
I'm confused. I thought the private sector meant no government involvement? How is the private sector getting those trillions of dollars?
FavreFan wrote:
Imagine if the private sector didn't do anything.
Both the public and private sectors fail here. It would be even worse if either did a worse job.

Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:53 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
Nothing you said points to the horrible job the private sector does in managing the resources it has. The government throws trillions at this problem, yet, it's still there. You think the private sector may be able to manage those trillions more efficiently with better results? I do.
I'm confused. I thought the private sector meant no government involvement? How is the private sector getting those trillions of dollars?
FavreFan wrote:
Imagine if the private sector didn't do anything.
Both the public and private sectors fail here. It would be even worse if either did a worse job.

The trillions came from the private sector.

Author:  Mr. Reason [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:59 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:
Nothing you said points to the horrible job the private sector does in managing the resources it has. The government throws trillions at this problem, yet, it's still there. You think the private sector may be able to manage those trillions more efficiently with better results? I do.
I'm confused. I thought the private sector meant no government involvement? How is the private sector getting those trillions of dollars?.

It's not the governments money. It's the people's money. They only have what they take from us. The wealth the government transfers comes from somewhere, no? That's not counting the fiat funds just printed willy nilly.
If we were taxed less, maybe we would donate more. I know I would.

Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:07 pm ]
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I would guess that most of the money would either be kept or donated to more "fun charities".

I know when I got a tax cut or a stimulus check I didn't donate it to charity. I doubt Mr. Reason did either.

Author:  Mr. Reason [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:15 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I would guess that most of the money would either be kept or donated to more "fun charities".

I know when I got a tax cut or a stimulus check I didn't donate it to charity. I doubt Mr. Reason did either.

I'm sorry money has to be taken from you in order for to be given to the less fortunate.
You know nothing about me or my charitable contributions. Let me put so even you can understand it. If a person allocates a certain percentage of their after tax income to charitable donations, wouldn't it stand to "Reason" said donations would increase commensurate with the increase of after tax income?

Author:  Colonel Angus [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:27 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.

This.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Anyone who supports these laws

Mr. Reason wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I would guess that most of the money would either be kept or donated to more "fun charities".

I know when I got a tax cut or a stimulus check I didn't donate it to charity. I doubt Mr. Reason did either.

I'm sorry money has to be taken from you in order for to be given to the less fortunate.
You know nothing about me or my charitable contributions. Let me put so even you can understand it. If a person allocates a certain percentage of their after tax income to charitable donations, wouldn't it stand to "Reason" said donations would increase commensurate with the increase of after tax income?
So you donate based on the amount of taxes you pay in a given year? I would guess that is a very small amount of people who do that.

No, people are greedy. If someone pays less in taxes than they expected I highly doubt they immediately transfer it to charity. They keep it and either save it or buy something else with it.

Author:  Tall Midget [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:53 am ]
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Darkside wrote:
Maybe this is a bit outside the box but I think the homeless problem is a symptom of our poor record of treating mental illness.
Fix that and the homeless problem will greatly diminish.


This is one of the main ideas argued in Daniel Patrick Moynihan's (in)famous article "Defining Deviancy Down"--that is, the de-institutionalization movement of the late 60s created a homeless epidemic with which society has grown "comfortable."

While Moynihan's analysis is incomplete and inadequate on many levels, there's still a lot of truth to it.

Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:16 am ]
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I can see the point the homeowners make about this problem. Having a bunch of filthy,mentally ill individuals (many of the homeless fall into this category) living in your neighborhood-perhaps in your bushes, does nothing to help property values. Nor does it improve one's quality of life. They don't really want them there. Can't blame them. But everyone has gotten used to expecting the government to step in and help everyone. That's why we have a national debt in the trillions. It should be expected that these people would be helped by their families. But they often CHOOSE to live on the streets instead, because they are alcoholics and drug addicts, who are self medicating mental illnesses. The Government is not the answer to every problem and can't afford to be spending more money on these people. If the people that collect and distribute this food can find a building somewhere (abandoned warehouse for example) that the owner will allow to be used to distribute the food....problem solved. It's easy to rail against the residents who complain about people far less fortunate. But unless you have had to deal with such a situation every day for years, it's hard to really understand their position. I don't see this as being as simple as the rich rejecting the presence of the poor unwashed masses.

Author:  Rod [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:22 am ]
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
I can see the point the homeowners make about this problem. Having a bunch of filthy,mentally ill individuals living in your neighborhood does nothing to help property values.


This is why I have never considered moving to Elmhurst.

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