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The Illinois Department of Natural Resources is defending a conservation police officer's decision to fatally shoot a cougar in Whiteside County after it was found hiding near a farmhouse.

The encounter Wednesday near Morrison, about 130 miles west of Chicago, that left the animal dead was the first confirmed sighting of a cougar in Illinois since November 2012.

Chris McCloud, spokesman for the IDNR, said the conservation officer at the scene is responsible for determining whether an animal poses a threat to public safety. In this case, McCloud said, the officer decided it was a public safety issue because the cougar was very close to a residence.

"Public safety is what we’ll make the decision on every time," he said.

Before deciding to euthanize an animal, the IDNR considers other options, including tranquilizing and relocating the animal, McCloud said.

Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said. Calling in a veterinarian equipped to tranquilize the cougar wasn’t an option in this case because of the safety risk, he said.

However, the same safety risks means the IDNR wouldn’t consider relocating a cougar, a predatory animal not protected by state conservation law, McCloud said.

When asked whether there are any alternatives to killing cougars, McCloud said "that’s a good question. There is no specific answer. You would have to have someone that would take the animal."

He said that situation had never come up.

But Bruce Patterson, Curator of Mammals at the Field Museum who studies large cats, said he didn’t see evidence the cougar in Whitefield County was a threat.

Patterson said Chicago police had no option but to shoot a cougar found on Chicago’s North Side in 2008, because it was in the middle of a crowded city and near an elementary school.

"But I can’t figure out why this animal had to be shot," he said.

He said reports that the cougar was found in a concrete tunnel in a corn crib suggest it was looking for a safe place to hide during the day, and didn’t indicate an imminent threat.

"It’s possible to manage wildlife while still keeping it around," Patterson said.

The family that spotted the cougar Wednesday, however, felt the cougar was a threat. A farmer near Morrison called authorities about 2 p.m. Wednesday after he saw a large cat leaving a corn field and running toward the farmhouse and other buildings, according to the Illinois Department of Natural Resources.

A conservation officer arrived at the farm and found the owner's wife in the home, safe, made sure that horses in a nearby barn and horse lot were unharmed and then found the cougar in a concrete tunnel under the corn crib, the department said.

The farmer asked that the animal be killed, and the officer consulted with law enforcement and wildlife personnel and talked with the farmer's wife. Officials decided to kill the animal and the officer used his state-issued rifle, according to the department.

The officer estimated it weighed more than 100 pounds and was almost 6 feet in length. Wildlife biologists were expected to conduct a necropsy.

Cougars have not been known to live in Illinois since 1870 and are not protected by state conservation law. No confirmed cougar encounter with humans has taken place since 2008, although trail cameras in Jo Daviess, Morgan, Pike and Calhoun counties captured photographs of a cougar or cougars in the fall of 2012, according to the Natural Resources Department.

Before Wednesday, the last time a confirmed cougar was encountered in Illinois was when a male cougar was shot and killed in the Roscoe Village neighborhood in 2008. Prior to that, a male was killed by a hunter in Mercer County in 2004, and a male was killed by a train in 2002.

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How about training these guys to use a frickin' sleep dart??? It can't be that complicated.

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Was the cougar 95 years old and in a nursing home?

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we need more deer to kill people on the roads.

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This thread can go so many ways.


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I have not been harmed or shot at yet.

They need to start shooting at the coyotes out here.


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How about training these guys to use a frickin' sleep dart??? It can't be that complicated.

And done what with it?

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How about training these guys to use a frickin' sleep dart??? It can't be that complicated.

And done what with it?


Hit the farmers daughter in the ass and come up with a new punchline for an old joke.

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I have not been harmed or shot at yet.

They need to start shooting at the coyotes out here.

I don't think you're old enough to be considered a "cougar".


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Was the cougar 95 years old and in a nursing home?


Death panels. Thanks, Obama.

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defending a . . . police officer's decision to fatally shoot

We've extended it to animals now.

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Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said.

They just carry guns, so they can intentionally kill the animal. Wouldn't want it to OD on tranqs!

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If this cat was allowed his god-given right to bear arms, he wouldn't be dead.


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defending a . . . police officer's decision to fatally shoot

We've extended it to animals now.

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Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said.

They just carry guns, so they can intentionally kill the animal. Wouldn't want it to OD on tranqs!


Wouldn't want it to maim or kill a cop that gave too small a dose.

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defending a . . . police officer's decision to fatally shoot

We've extended it to animals now.

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Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said.

They just carry guns, so they can intentionally kill the animal. Wouldn't want it to OD on tranqs!


Wouldn't want it to maim or kill a cop that gave too small a dose.

I'm not real comfortable with conservation "police" carrying weapons in the first place. Too fucking many peripheral government agencies are packing these days.

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Oh, you mean "Conservation" isn't one of those small-town names like "Prudence" or "Temperance"?

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Oh, you mean "Conservation" isn't one of those small-town names like "Prudence" or "Temperance"?

My fear is they are unaware of the town of "Restraint". At least Barney was forced to keep his bullet in his pocket.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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defending a . . . police officer's decision to fatally shoot

We've extended it to animals now.

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Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said.

They just carry guns, so they can intentionally kill the animal. Wouldn't want it to OD on tranqs!


Wouldn't want it to maim or kill a cop that gave too small a dose.

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I'm not real comfortable with conservation "police" carrying weapons in the first place. Too fucking many peripheral government agencies are packing these days.


I'm even less comfortable with asking someone to confront this type of animal, or a poacher, without having a weapon for protection.

My son and I go to Mundelein and look for deer on a large tract of private property that has at least one hundred of them. We ran into a Conservation cop there last Saturday and he explained to us how poachers have become more brazen, especially on private property. To expect a Conservation officer to walk up to a cougar and say "here kitty kitty" is two steps short of crazy and a mile from any type of common sense.

So the alternative was to call a local cop and the outcome would have been the same thing.

I'm far more comfortable with the Conservation cop having a gun then I am with some of the posters here that have them.

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How about training these guys to use a frickin' sleep dart??? It can't be that complicated.


Thats the outrage of the animal people.

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Mr. Reason wrote:
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defending a . . . police officer's decision to fatally shoot

We've extended it to animals now.

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Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said.

They just carry guns, so they can intentionally kill the animal. Wouldn't want it to OD on tranqs!


Wouldn't want it to maim or kill a cop that gave too small a dose.

I'm not real comfortable with conservation "police" carrying weapons in the first place. Too fucking many peripheral government agencies are packing these days.

You are dead wrong on this one!
Conservation cops have the same training as the Illinois State Police, plus they are given some additional FBI training, too.
I am more worried about Forest Preserve police.

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I'm not real comfortable with conservation "police" carrying weapons in the first place. Too fucking many peripheral government agencies are packing these days.



yeah it's always weird when you see what looks like a cop car- all decked out with lights and everything- and it turns out to be some private security firm

i've also now in the last month or two now seen a car marked as "secretary of state police" what the hell do they do ?? drive around looking for expired registration tags ?


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Mr. Reason wrote:
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defending a . . . police officer's decision to fatally shoot

We've extended it to animals now.

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Conservation officers do not carry tranquilizers because they aren’t trained to handle the chemical and assess the proper dosage so that they don’t inadvertently harm or kill the animal, McCloud said.

They just carry guns, so they can intentionally kill the animal. Wouldn't want it to OD on tranqs!


Wouldn't want it to maim or kill a cop that gave too small a dose.

I'm not real comfortable with conservation "police" carrying weapons in the first place. Too fucking many peripheral government agencies are packing these days.


A very good friend of mine in college became a member of the Illinois Department of Conservation police . They are the ones that stop poachers from harvesting/killing (you pick) animals out of season and taking more than the legal limit of fish/animals allowed. It can actually be a very dangerous job. Poachers are not always real happy about the idea of being caught and will sometimes shoot at Conservation Police officers who are in their pursuit. There are many deer hunters that kill one deer and then harvest another (especially if they took a doe initially and then spot a big buck) in violation of the law. They also make sure that hunters and fishermen have a valid license.

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i've also now in the last month or two now seen a car marked as "secretary of state police" what the hell do they do ?? drive around looking for expired registration tags ?
Yeah I don't know whats up with these assholes. What I do know is that at least once a week one of them is going 55mph in the left lane on 294 holding up afternoon traffic.

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i've also now in the last month or two now seen a car marked as "secretary of state police" what the hell do they do ?? drive around looking for expired registration tags ?
Yeah I don't know whats up with these assholes. What I do know is that at least once a week one of them is going 55mph in the left lane on 294 holding up afternoon traffic.


i would seriously like to know what their scope of duties is, what they can legally enforce, etc.


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I think SOS police are the ones with mobile scale set ups to enforce weight limits on trucks and their safety stuff.

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Currently the Department regulates more than 15,000 licensees including new and used dealers, used part dealers, repairers and rebuilders.

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i've also now in the last month or two now seen a car marked as "secretary of state police" what the hell do they do ?? drive around looking for expired registration tags ?
Yeah I don't know whats up with these assholes. What I do know is that at least once a week one of them is going 55mph in the left lane on 294 holding up afternoon traffic.


i would seriously like to know what their scope of duties is, what they can legally enforce, etc.


They are able to affect arrests, but only enforce laws pertaining to motor vehicles. They can actually arrest you for DUI as well as other vehicle laws. In addition, they investigate businesses that operate in the automotive industries to ensure they operate legally (instead of operating chop shops, for example) and are involved in tracking down stolen vehicles.

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interesting

i'm just curious...say they were behind your car and you had expired tags. or a taillight out. can they pull you over for that ?


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They can actually arrest you for DUI.


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i'm just curious...say they were behind your car and you had expired tags. or a taillight out. can they pull you over for that ?


Yes. But most of the time they are involved in investigating crimes like car theft and chop shop operations, etc.

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