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| Author: | Big Chicagoan [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ken Gurnick |
Didn't vote, and apparently won't ever vote, for Greg Maddux for the HOF. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10259259/greg-maddux-unanimous-hall-selection |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
I guess he is the authority of when the roid era exactly was. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
I've got no problems with this. If you didn't do any PEDs, you definitely stood by and did nothing while others in the clubhouse stuck needles in their asses. |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
In a way I'm okay with this, as long as he is consistent. I agree with him, you don't know if Maddux did PEDs or not. He certainly could have been on something that helped with longevity as opposed to building bulk. It would have been nice if he would have juiced a bit in 2004 along with the rest of the Cubs... |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Im ok in that if guys with names like Ruth, Williams, Wagner, Foxx,Mays, Aaron, etc didn't get unanimous votes I didn't expect Maddux to. While there isn't a 100% certainty he isn't a PED guy he's about as close as you can come in that era to saying he wasn't. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
We care too much about percentages And Rogue as much as I love Maddux and hope he was clean, you never know with pitchers. A lot of that stuff helped recovery time. I think pitchers got off easy in the whole steroids thing |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Oh and steroids were around in the 30s, that guy is naive as fuck |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
He's just some asshole that you never heard of yesterday and today you have, so mission accomplished. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
It's very difficult to have a HoF stupider than basketball's, but baseball certainly does. |
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| Author: | Apologist [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
I don't have issue with his rationale, but then how does he exempt Morris, who played from 1978-1994? There a lot of "heavy suspicion" guys who played during this time frame, his career overlapped the Steroid Era concurrently |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Dickheads like this are making it very easy for me to never give a fuck about the baseball hall of fame ever again. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Apologist wrote: I don't have issue with his rationale, but then how does he exempt Morris, who played from 1978-1994? There a lot of "heavy suspicion" guys who played during this time frame, his career overlapped the Steroid Era concurrently Teammates including Carlos Delgado, Shawn Green, and Dave Stewart |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Apologist wrote: I don't have issue with his rationale, but then how does he exempt Morris, who played from 1978-1994? There a lot of "heavy suspicion" guys who played during this time frame, his career overlapped the Steroid Era concurrently Well, for one thing, Morris never faced guys like Canseco, McGwire, Belle, Palmeiro, Alomar, Mo Vaughn, and Juan Gonzalez ......... |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Olbermann just did a really nice job dismantling any possible angle Gurnick has used or could ever used based on the parameters Ken himself set up ... worth watching if it becomes available to you. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Don Tiny wrote: Olbermann just did a really nice job dismantling any possible angle Gurnick has used or could ever used based on the parameters Ken himself set up ... worth watching if it becomes available to you. It was George Bush's fault? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
rogers park bryan wrote: I think pitchers got off easy in the whole steroids thing Except for Roger Clemens (who made his own bed in a lot of ways), you are 100% correct.
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
I don't have any specific suspicions about pitchers but you have to have doubts and cannot just say "well, they weren't big". Look at a cheater like Armstrong in a different sport. Sure doping isn't roids or HGH but that guy for one sure has a pitcher build. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: I think pitchers got off easy in the whole steroids thing Except for Roger Clemens (who made his own bed in a lot of ways), you are 100% correct.Peavy has to be a juicer |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Don Tiny wrote: Olbermann just did a really nice job dismantling any possible angle Gurnick has used or could ever used based on the parameters Ken himself set up ... worth watching if it becomes available to you. Olbermann should speak only about baseball. He's a savant. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Bagels wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: I think pitchers got off easy in the whole steroids thing Except for Roger Clemens (who made his own bed in a lot of ways), you are 100% correct.Peavy has to be a juicer Gagne also was caught |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Maybe. He is probably the only one who knows for sure. Regardless, he will never be under as much scrutiny as some of the hitters were in the 90's and early 00's |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Maybe. He is probably the only one who knows for sure. Regardless, he will never be under as much scrutiny as some of the hitters were in the 90's and early 00's You're talking Peavy right? Gagne is pretty much for sure |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
Yes, Peavy. I know Gagne was caught, and that seems to be the only way pitchers face the heat like hitters did/do. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
You guys seem pretty worked up about an Atlanta Braves hall of famer. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
I still maintain Jose Guzman was the right move |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ken Gurnick |
As 'The Steroid Era" is still now and will be for the future, I believe they should take his balott away. |
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