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...but I have no idea how it would feel to be a young black man and have some middle aged white man at a college sports event say something racial like that to me, so I'm not going to judge him in this particular instance.

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He's still a top 5 pick.

Why do we hold kids to standards that the majority of us couldn't meet? Of course we are much older than them and don't live every minute of our lives under a microscope. This is a kid that cared so much about winning that he passed on guaranteed millions.

lipidquadcab wrote:

WHOA! lets hear his side of the story!

When Smart accussed him of that, I went back and looked at the tape. the fans name is JEFF ORR, he is a long time, diehard TEX AM fan. the guy is at every home game and he travels with the team whenever he can. No doubt the guy says and does things to get under players skin, but if he said what Smart claims there are plenty of other people that would have heard it. he was far enough away that no less than 20 other people are there to back up smart. Plus, would the guy be that stupid to know if used the N word, he would probably never be allowed back at a game.

How about this scenario. The guy got into Smarts head and when Smart had a chance he pushed him....Smart knew he crossed the line and claimed the race card?

This rings right back to when the Milton Bradley claimed Racist taunts by Cub fans in the bleachers, but couldnt point out the fan, nor did one fan ever hear it from anyone else, and almost every fan who was asked, said they would have pointed out the person to security, but none of them heard it.

So, lets see what happens, but I have a feeling the guy who didnt say the N word, as he wants to continue to go to games.

And no, I wouldnt draft Smart, based on what I have seen. Giving that guy a ton of money and free time in the NBA, might be the worst thing for him, but I am sure someone will.

"Piece of crap"... :lol:

Either he's not being completely truthful with what he said or Smart has the thinnest skin and shortest fuse of any athlete in short memory.

I'm not sure which it is at this point.

lipidquadcab wrote:

bigfan wrote:

lipidquadcab wrote:

That's fair...let's see what he actually said...but he certainly said something, as it's already out there that he feels bad about the whole thing...so he was certainly trying to egg Smart on.

Some have said he said the N word...others have said he told Smart to go back to Africa...either one would be horrible and if it's the case, Texas Tech would do well to never let the guy attend another game.

What would be the point of this? His own team is not all-white - he would be offending the fuck out of them, too! If he really said that, he is a fucktard and he insulted his own guys. I don't know anything about this guy, but it just doesn't make sense.

lipidquadcab wrote:

"Piece of crap"... :lol:

Either he's not being completely truthful with what he said or Smart has the thinnest skin and shortest fuse of any athlete in short memory.

I'm not sure which it is at this point.

He said something prior to getting shoved (that isn't on camera) and it appears he tells him to go back to Africa after getting shoved. "Go back to" is pretty clear on the video. A middle aged adult should know better.

Nas wrote:

lipidquadcab wrote:

"Piece of crap"... :lol:

Either he's not being completely truthful with what he said or Smart has the thinnest skin and shortest fuse of any athlete in short memory.

I'm not sure which it is at this point.

Get real,,,,how do you know he said something prior to be shoved that wasn't on camera?

I'm not an expert lip reader but I thought the "go back to" was clear Panther.

Like others are saying, if you watch the tape, it looks more like he said "You're not my type", probably in response to an "FU" from Smart, not "Go back to" anywhere.

http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/09/marcus ... he-n-word/

Reportedly, the current conjecture is what he said before, and some are trying to corroborate wrongdoing by using a reported text he sent to someone wherein he allegedly said "I said something I shouldn't have".

The words of others only have the power we chose to give them.

Mr. Reason wrote:

The words of others only have the power we chose to give them.

#Truth It takes a lot of us a while to understand this and some never understand it. We're not robots so at times all of us can react to words in ways we wouldn't ordinarily react.

There is now video with audio of him saying "piece of crap" : http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/09/48 ... arcus.html

Reactionary Reverse Racist Witch-hunt over.

I would now move on to suing both Smart and his school for defamation.

Q.Bovifs wrote:

Come on Panther. That's weak. You can't hear anything clearly except someone saying "hey".

Author:	Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:01 am ]
Post subject:	Marcus Smart
http://msn.foxsports.com/southwest/video?related=40a2f594-8601-4da3-8704-64e1aa5b8500 Earlier in the season kicks a chair,now this. The university should suspend this clown for the rest of the year, and if the don't they are just as bad.

Author:	Douchebag [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:31 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
More like Marcus Not-So-Smart...

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:35 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
He's still a top 5 pick.

Author:	lipidquadcab [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:17 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
The guy is most certainly a douchebag...throw in his whining about being labeled a flopper earlier this week, even though he admits he's a flopper... ...but I have no idea how it would feel to be a young black man and have some middle aged white man at a college sports event say something racial like that to me, so I'm not going to judge him in this particular instance. As for his draft stock, I wouldn't look at this stuff as much as his game on the court...I really wasn't impressed when I watched him play ISU and from the sounds of it this is how his season has pretty much been going.

Author:	bigfan [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
lipidquadcab wrote: ...but I have no idea how it would feel to be a young black man and have some middle aged white man at a college sports event say something racial like that to me, so I'm not going to judge him in this particular instance. . WHOA! lets hear his side of the story! When Smart accussed him of that, I went back and looked at the tape. the fans name is JEFF ORR, he is a long time, diehard TEX AM fan. the guy is at every home game and he travels with the team whenever he can. No doubt the guy says and does things to get under players skin, but if he said what Smart claims there are plenty of other people that would have heard it. he was far enough away that no less than 20 other people are there to back up smart. Plus, would the guy be that stupid to know if used the N word, he would probably never be allowed back at a game. How about this scenario. The guy got into Smarts head and when Smart had a chance he pushed him....Smart knew he crossed the line and claimed the race card? This rings right back to when the Milton Bradley claimed Racist taunts by Cub fans in the bleachers, but couldnt point out the fan, nor did one fan ever hear it from anyone else, and almost every fan who was asked, said they would have pointed out the person to security, but none of them heard it. So, lets see what happens, but I have a feeling the guy who didnt say the N word, as he wants to continue to go to games. And no, I wouldnt draft Smart, based on what I have seen. Giving that guy a ton of money and free time in the NBA, might be the worst thing for him, but I am sure someone will.

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Author:	Psycory [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:51 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
So much going on here. The guy is fucking nuts. I've seen the video of what he does at other games and read the article that mentioned how former players talk about what this guy does at the games. He should act better. But, I can totally see the scenario that BF lays out as being true. No matter what, this whole season is going to be a cautionary tale for anyone thinking about going back to school for another year, you don't want to become another Marcus Smart.

Author:	bigfan [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
There are videos of this guy Jeff Orr, flipping the bird, yelling at other players, etc. All that said, I just highly doubt he sued the N word, as he would not be welcomed back, but I dont doubt the guy is a Complete assbag!

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Why do we hold kids to standards that the majority of us couldn't meet? Of course we are much older than them and don't live every minute of our lives under a microscope. This is a kid that cared so much about winning that he passed on guaranteed millions.

Author:	lipidquadcab [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
bigfan wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: ...but I have no idea how it would feel to be a young black man and have some middle aged white man at a college sports event say something racial like that to me, so I'm not going to judge him in this particular instance. . WHOA! lets hear his side of the story! When Smart accussed him of that, I went back and looked at the tape. the fans name is JEFF ORR, he is a long time, diehard TEX AM fan. the guy is at every home game and he travels with the team whenever he can. No doubt the guy says and does things to get under players skin, but if he said what Smart claims there are plenty of other people that would have heard it. he was far enough away that no less than 20 other people are there to back up smart. Plus, would the guy be that stupid to know if used the N word, he would probably never be allowed back at a game. How about this scenario. The guy got into Smarts head and when Smart had a chance he pushed him....Smart knew he crossed the line and claimed the race card? This rings right back to when the Milton Bradley claimed Racist taunts by Cub fans in the bleachers, but couldnt point out the fan, nor did one fan ever hear it from anyone else, and almost every fan who was asked, said they would have pointed out the person to security, but none of them heard it. So, lets see what happens, but I have a feeling the guy who didnt say the N word, as he wants to continue to go to games. And no, I wouldnt draft Smart, based on what I have seen. Giving that guy a ton of money and free time in the NBA, might be the worst thing for him, but I am sure someone will. That's fair...let's see what he actually said...but he certainly said something, as it's already out there that he feels bad about the whole thing...so he was certainly trying to egg Smart on. Some have said he said the N word...others have said he told Smart to go back to Africa...either one would be horrible and if it's the case, Texas Tech would do well to never let the guy attend another game.

Author:	bigfan [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
I dont doubt he said something and he didnt just say it once, I would be willing to say he has says it the whole game. But you just cant accuse people of saying this when they didnt. Smart is held to another standard because he wants to make millions, he wants to be an NBA player and this is his education. he will run into this for the next 10+ years and he needs to learn it will be part of his life. He will need to prove now it is not an issue before someone gives him $10 mill+. But then again, people kept signing Ron Meta World Peace Artest.

Author:	lipidquadcab [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
"Piece of crap"... Either he's not being completely truthful with what he said or Smart has the thinnest skin and shortest fuse of any athlete in short memory. I'm not sure which it is at this point.

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
lipidquadcab wrote: "Piece of crap"... Either he's not being completely truthful with what he said or Smart has the thinnest skin and shortest fuse of any athlete in short memory. I'm not sure which it is at this point. He said something prior to getting shoved (that isn't on camera) and it appears he tells him to go back to Africa after getting shoved. "Go back to" is pretty clear on the video. A middle aged adult should know better.

Author:	lipidquadcab [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Q.Bovifs wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: bigfan wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: ...but I have no idea how it would feel to be a young black man and have some middle aged white man at a college sports event say something racial like that to me, so I'm not going to judge him in this particular instance. . WHOA! lets hear his side of the story! When Smart accussed him of that, I went back and looked at the tape. the fans name is JEFF ORR, he is a long time, diehard TEX AM fan. the guy is at every home game and he travels with the team whenever he can. No doubt the guy says and does things to get under players skin, but if he said what Smart claims there are plenty of other people that would have heard it. he was far enough away that no less than 20 other people are there to back up smart. Plus, would the guy be that stupid to know if used the N word, he would probably never be allowed back at a game. How about this scenario. The guy got into Smarts head and when Smart had a chance he pushed him....Smart knew he crossed the line and claimed the race card? This rings right back to when the Milton Bradley claimed Racist taunts by Cub fans in the bleachers, but couldnt point out the fan, nor did one fan ever hear it from anyone else, and almost every fan who was asked, said they would have pointed out the person to security, but none of them heard it. So, lets see what happens, but I have a feeling the guy who didnt say the N word, as he wants to continue to go to games. And no, I wouldnt draft Smart, based on what I have seen. Giving that guy a ton of money and free time in the NBA, might be the worst thing for him, but I am sure someone will. That's fair...let's see what he actually said...but he certainly said something, as it's already out there that he feels bad about the whole thing...so he was certainly trying to egg Smart on. Some have said he said the N word...others have said he told Smart to go back to Africa...either one would be horrible and if it's the case, Texas Tech would do well to never let the guy attend another game. What would be the point of this? His own team is not all-white - he would be offending the fuck out of them, too! If he really said that, he is a fucktard and he insulted his own guys. I don't know anything about this guy, but it just doesn't make sense. Because if you put stupid people and racists on a venn diagram they would have a lot of common ground?

Author:	redskingreg [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Looking forward to Bernstein using this to further his Narrative that all college basketball fans are racist.

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Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Nas wrote: lipidquadcab wrote: "Piece of crap"... Either he's not being completely truthful with what he said or Smart has the thinnest skin and shortest fuse of any athlete in short memory. I'm not sure which it is at this point. He said something prior to getting shoved (that isn't on camera) and it appears he tells him to go back to Africa after getting shoved. "Go back to" is pretty clear on the video. A middle aged adult should know better. Get real,,,,how do you know he said something prior to be shoved that wasn't on camera? I think it's unlikely a player just gets up and pushes a fan for no reason at all. I could be completely wrong about it. Considering the guy admitted that he at the very least called him "a piece of shit" I doubt that I am wrong about him saying something prior to getting shoved.

Author:	pittmike [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Is calling him a piece of shit a special thing? I know I would have pushed him. I just wonder what is the level to shove a fan. In this case likely deserved it right?

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
I'm not an expert lip reader but I thought the "go back to" was clear Panther. You may want to take a look at it again. Either way he got what he wanted. He got a kid to lose his cool and the kid got punished for it. He's had a lot of victories this weekend. Hopefully the kid learns to ignore fans like him in the future.

Author:	Colonel Angus [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Nas wrote: I'm not an expert lip reader but I thought the "go back to" was clear Panther.

Author:	lipidquadcab [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Q.Bovifs wrote: Like others are saying, if you watch the tape, it looks more like he said "You're not my type", probably in response to an "FU" from Smart, not "Go back to" anywhere. http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/09/marcus ... he-n-word/ Reportedly, the current conjecture is what he said before, and some are trying to corroborate wrongdoing by using a reported text he sent to someone wherein he allegedly said "I said something I shouldn't have". "You're not my type" doesn't really fit with him admitting he said something he shouldn't have and that he feels bad about it.

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
The words of others only have the power we chose to give them.

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Mr. Reason wrote: The words of others only have the power we chose to give them. #Truth It takes a lot of us a while to understand this and some never understand it. We're not robots so at times all of us can react to words in ways we wouldn't ordinarily react.

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Nas wrote: Mr. Reason wrote: The words of others only have the power we chose to give them. #Truth It takes a lot of us a while to understand this and some never understand it. We're not robots so at times all of us can react to words in ways we wouldn't ordinarily react. Very true. It's a philosophy I've tried to ingrain into my kids from an early age. It doesn't matter what others think or say about you. It only matters what you think about yourself. Don't allow others to dictate how you feel or define you as a person. You know what you are. Why would you let someone, who does not know the real you, define you by their words? They're truly just words. Sometimes words mean things, sometimes they don't.

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Q.Bovifs wrote: There is now video with audio of him saying "piece of crap" : http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/09/48 ... arcus.html Reactionary Reverse Racist Witch-hunt over. I would now move on to suing both Smart and his school for defamation. Come on Panther. That's weak. You can't hear anything clearly except someone saying "hey".

Author:	Mr. Reason [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
Nas wrote: Q.Bovifs wrote: There is now video with audio of him saying "piece of crap" : http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/09/48 ... arcus.html Reactionary Reverse Racist Witch-hunt over. I would now move on to suing both Smart and his school for defamation. Come on Panther. That's weak. You can't hear anything clearly except someone saying "hey". Hey, hey, ho, ho, that there n-word gots to go...

Author:	Nas [ Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Marcus Smart
I don't believe they get signing bonuses in the NBA and if they do it's very small. This is the type of lawsuit that would be thrown out immediately. I just need some clear evidence of what was said.