I hope we can all agree on this one.

Nope it'll came down to its the NRA/ the right's fault. At least those fuckers spared everyone their.. ahem right to a trial and just offed themselves.

Nope it'll came down to its the NRA/ the right's fault.

They were a couple of "patriots".

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/06/0 ... acrifices/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/09/l ... deathwish/


Can we talk about this, or is it too soon?

What is there to talk about? Our government is out of control and has been for a long time. People are starting to react in crazy ways. Not real surprising.


I really dont get people who try to differentiate between the two parties at this point. They are clearly one in the same.

What is there to talk about?

Is our government really out of control? What are they doing differently that they haven't done in the past 40 years?

Is our government really out of control? What are they doing differently that they haven't done in the past 40 years?

Why does a felon have weapons like this? How about more thorough background checks? That isn't even on the table. Taking away freedoms, blah blah blah.

Pick from the pitiful buffet of themes.

1. With "stories" like this, it's always too soon.
2. "We can't talk about this until we get to the bottom of Benghazi first"
3. Per Fox, it's not a story.
4. "Cliven Bundy is still right"
5. "We need to impeach Obama"
6. "This is because we've taken God out of schools"
7. "They were really closet liberals....no right thinking conservative would attack Wal-Mart"
8. Somehow it's the undocumented immigrants fault, because everything else is, right?
9. It has to be because of the happily marrying gays, because that's the sign of the apocalypse.
10. But at the end of the day, anyone even critically reviewing this is...a fascist?!?

I dont know how many stories of insanity (people and government) coming from all parties we need before people stop with the ridiculous Rep vs Dem stuff

We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.

We do have a common theme with most of these shootings. They are carried out by extreme, right wing lunatics, or "patriots", as they call themselves. Members of one party certainly fetishize guns more than the other.

Go down the list. Mental illness and/or right wing whack job almost everytime.



They were both mentally ill. That is why I didn't say all shootings.

What conclusions can we draw from this?

It seems like you are hinting at something here.

This is obviously not a defense of these people, but the government seems to have a much stronger tie to corporations and in the post-9/11 world they seem to be eroding away rights that were considered untouchable for decades or centuries.

I know it is a seemingly small issue, but the current attempts to end "net neutrality" show this pretty well. The government was very willing to let your monopolistic cable company start throttling down whatever websites they wanted. The only thing that has stopped is other companies fighting back. Anyone with half a brain knows that for the people of this country, net neutrality is a pretty important thing, and there is no reason to allow it to be changed since the whole internet was based on the idea.