Frank Coztansa wrote:
Good for them. I really don't care what the overall rate is. If mine is at 100%, then I'm happy.
She has you trained well already.
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Not even close. Never been close. I cant believe how this oft repeated lie has become so accepted. I believed the lie for a long time. Why lie about that? Divorce Shocker: Most Marriages Do Make It By Paul Strand CBN News Washington Sr. Correspondent Tuesday, May 06, 2014 SharePrint 15 Comment(s) Ad Feedback ATLANTA -- Most people believe only half of U.S. marriages make it. But a leading researcher is announcing the true divorce rate is much lower and always has been. Shaunti Feldhahn received her research training at Harvard. She and her husband Jeff help people with their marriages and relationships through best-selling books like, For Women Only and For Men Only. This Atlanta-based couple often quoted in their writings and at conferences what they thought was accurate research: that most marriages are unhappy and 50 percent of them end in divorce, even in the Church. "I didn't know," Feldhahn told CBN News. "I've stood up on stage and said every one of these wrong statistics." Then eight years ago, she asked assistant Tally Whitehead for specific research on divorce for an article she was writing. After much digging, neither of them could find any real numbers. That kicked off a personal, years-long crusade to dig through the tremendously complicated, sometimes contradictory research to find the truth. The surprising revelations are revealed in her new book, The Good News About Marriage. The Real Divorce Rate "First-time marriages: probably 20 to 25 percent have ended in divorce on average," Feldhahn revealed. "Now, okay, that's still too high, but it's a whole lot better than what people think it is." Shaunti and Jeff point out the 50 percent figure came from projections of what researchers thought the divorce rate would become as they watched the divorce numbers rising in the 1970s and early 1980s when states around the nation were passing no-fault divorce laws. "But the divorce rate has been dropping," Feldhahn said. "We've never hit those numbers. We've never gotten close." And it's even lower among churchgoers, where a couple's chance of divorcing is more likely in the single digits or teens. Hopelessness = Divorce As the truth about these much lower divorce rates begins to spread, Feldhahn said she believes it will give people hope, which is often a key ingredient to making marriage last. She said hopelessness itself can actually lead to divorce. "That sense of futility itself pulls down marriages," Feldhahn said. "And the problem is we have this culture-wide feeling of futility about marriage. It's based on all these discouraging beliefs and many of them just aren't true." Christian psychotherapist Angel Davis has also written about marriage in her book, The Perfecting Storm. The Athens, Georgia-based therapist agreed with Shaunti Feldhahn's warnings about hopelessness. "The Bible says hope deferred, it makes a heart sick," Davis said. "And we are so influenced by numbers and by culture." Jeff Feldhahn said anytime he tells people about his wife's findings about how incorrect the 50 percent divorce rate actually is, they're stunned. "Their mouth drops open and they're just shocked," he said. "They go, 'I can't believe I believed this all these years. And I've heard it so many times. And I've heard it from the pulpit so many times.'" Shaunti added, "This is a great chance to stand up and say. 'We were all fooled. Not anymore.'" Spreading the Good News To that end, Feldhahn has been working to spread the news to pastors and other leaders as fast as she can. The news is changing Pastor Daniel Floyd's counseling because he had bought into fictional research, he admitted to Feldhahn. "I told her, 'I've said this. I've taught this,'" the pastor at Lifepoint Church in Fredericksburg, Virginia, recalled. Floyd said he's sure this news will change a generation of marriage counseling. "I think it's significant," he said. "And (it) could change the conversation from one that is 'Wow, it's just the way it is, and half of you are going to make it, half of you are not,' and change the conversation to know historically, an overwhelming majority have made it and you can make it." Psychotherapist Davis said this belief can change lives and marriages. "We know in psychology that what you believe affects how you feel, and then it leads to action," Davis stated. "So when other people are accomplishing something we think is hopeless, it gives us hope. And then we start feeling different and start acting different." Feldhahn has more shocking research: four out of five marriages are happy. That number flies in the face of the popular belief that only about 30 percent of marriages are happy. "Most people think most marriages are just kind of 'eeh'…just kind of rolling along," she said. "And they're shocked when I tell them that the actual average is 80 percent: 80 percent of marriages are happy." Not knowing the true statistics often leads couples to avoid marriage and just shack up instead. A Game-Changer? Feldhahn said that couples who avoid marriage do so based on wrong assumptions. "Like, 'if I'm just going to get divorced and I'm not going to be happy, why bother getting married, right?' And it's based on a lie," she said. "That feeling is based on a lie." Pastor Floyd said these new facts can be a game-changer for married couples. "I think it really helps people in the challenging moments to say, 'If I'll just stick with it, then there's a good chance I'm going to make it the distance,'" he said. "With hope you feel you can make it through, even though you're in a tough patch," Jeff Feldhahn said. His wife also pointed to other research that proves most of the unhappily married can turn it around. "The studies show that if they stay married for five years, that almost 80 percent of those will be happy five years later," she said. The Good News About Marriage also reveals the divorce rate among those active in their church is 27 to 50 percent lower than among non-churchgoers. Feldhahn's hope is that once people learn the truth that they will spread it far and wide. "We need to change the paradigm of how we talk about marriage -- from marriage being in trouble and all this discouraging stuff to saying, 'No, wait. Most marriages are strong and happy for a lifetime,'" she told CBN News. "That makes a total difference to a couple who can now say, 'You know what? Most people get through this and we can, too.'" |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Curious to see how (or if) the numbers change once there's been enough time to start including fruits being married due to more and more states allowing it ... one side or the other might lose a talking point. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Don Tiny wrote: Curious to see how (or if) the numbers change once there's been enough time to start including fruits being married due to more and more states allowing it ... one side or the other might lose a talking point. In researching this yesterday I believe I saw that early returns are the gay divorce rate is similar |
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| Author: | spmack [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
They make it as long as the wife allows the husband a gf. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Cheaper to hire a hitman than give away 50% |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:42 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Cheaper to hire a hitman than give away 50% Sorry you're not poor. |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
hey, i did my part |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Don Tiny wrote: good dolphin wrote: Cheaper to hire a hitman than give away 50% Sorry you're not poor. The thing is, I pretty much am destitute when I consider expected liabilities compared to expected earning over the next 20+ years. But if my relationship ended, those lawyers would find a way to squeeze blood out of a turnip even as I lived next door to Milhouse's father. |
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Before I got married, I was all for the concept of marriage; after getting divorced and seeing how the process is even if both sides are not contending anything, I think I will just live with a woman and not get married again. It is definitely easier to move on from that than a divorce. Maybe my divorce gave me a warped view on relationships, I don't know. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
FrankDrebin wrote: Before I got married, I was all for the concept of marriage; after getting divorced and seeing how the process is even if both sides are not contending anything, I think I will just live with a woman and not get married again. It is definitely easier to move on from that than a divorce. Maybe my divorce gave me a warped view on relationships, I don't know. I'd marry your avatar chick. Who is it? |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
So what about the guy who get divorced 4 or 5 times, does that skew the 50%? |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Marriage , like everything else you need a license for, should have a date as to which you need to reapply for your active license. If both parties dont sign, marriage is over. Marriage Tax! dont hey have that in Monopoly? |
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| Author: | Bagels [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
bigfan wrote: Marriage , like everything else you need a license for, should have a date as to which you need to reapply for your active license. If both parties dont sign, marriage is over. Ooh ooh ooh ooh Ooh ooh ooh ooh Ooh ooh ooh ooh Ooh ooh ooh ooh If I could make a wish And my wish came true I believe I would have the solution To vows that are made when you say, I do To make it more clear for you to see Here is what, here is what my wish would be I wish that a marriage license Was just like a driver's license That expires every two years With an option to hold Just in case love doesn't grow cold Grow cold, grow cold, grow cold Let's say you don't want him And he felt the same way too How is it would be all over And there'd be nothing anyone could do If this were to be, to be the best Than no one, no one would ever fail this test I wish that a marriage license Was just like a driver's license That expires every two years With an option to hold Just in case love doesn't grow cold Grow cold, grow cold, grow cold |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
bigfan wrote: Marriage , like everything else you need a license for, should have a date as to which you need to reapply for your active license. If both parties dont sign, marriage is over. Marriage Tax! dont hey have that in Monopoly? Absolutely. Maybe even contracts |
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| Author: | spanky [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
bigfan wrote: So what about the guy who get divorced 4 or 5 times, does that skew the 50%? This was my first thought. This article is talking about first-time marriages only, isn't it? |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
spanky wrote: bigfan wrote: So what about the guy who get divorced 4 or 5 times, does that skew the 50%? This was my first thought. This article is talking about first-time marriages only, isn't it? We don't need to know his percentage, he is 100% dumbass. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
spanky wrote: bigfan wrote: So what about the guy who get divorced 4 or 5 times, does that skew the 50%? This was my first thought. This article is talking about first-time marriages only, isn't it? There is no 50%. Its never been at that level. Including multiple divorces its around 27% The math was wrong. There are about twice as many marriages per year as divorces and people incorrectly leaped to the 50% mark. Its not just this article. I was LOOKING for any resemblance of a decent source on the 50%. It's a complete myth based in poor math application |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Some people love the whole marriage thing. They get divorced and a few months later, right back at it. Rack em up, 5th marriage free in vegas at some spots! |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Good for them. I really don't care what the overall rate is. If mine is at 100%, then I'm happy. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
What percentage of McNugget competitions spawn new message boards? |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Good for them. I really don't care what the overall rate is. If mine is at 100%, then I'm happy. She has you trained well already.
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
What would be the divorce rate if there was no financial implications? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Good for them. I really don't care what the overall rate is. If mine is at 100%, then I'm happy. 100% which way? |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
bigfan wrote: What would be the divorce rate if there was no financial implications? ding ding ding and the answer is 150% |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:33 pm ] |
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IkeSouth wrote: bigfan wrote: What would be the divorce rate if there was no financial implications? ding ding ding and the answer is 150% |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
hell yeah I'd like several wives. my luck they'd all be on the rag at the same time. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
Hatchetman wrote: hell yeah I'd like several wives. my luck they'd all be on the rag at the same time. That's how nature works Hatchet. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
I don't want them to live together. they'd gang up on me. not in the good way. |
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| Author: | FrankDrebin [ Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: "50 percent of marriages end in divorce" |
badrogue17 wrote: FrankDrebin wrote: Before I got married, I was all for the concept of marriage; after getting divorced and seeing how the process is even if both sides are not contending anything, I think I will just live with a woman and not get married again. It is definitely easier to move on from that than a divorce. Maybe my divorce gave me a warped view on relationships, I don't know. I'd marry your avatar chick. Who is it? That would be AJ Lee. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:24 am ] |
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One marriage and one divorce for me. 27% seems awfully low. |
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