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Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Quote: Oklahoma is Going to Execute a Plausibly Innocent Man Tomorrow
Despite significant doubts about Richard Glossip's guilt, Oklahoma is moving forward with its plan to execute him Wednesday afternoon. Lauren Galik |Sep. 15, 2015 5:31 pm At 3 p.m. tomorrow, Oklahoma will administer a lethal cocktail of drugs into the arm of Richard Glossip, a man who is likely innocent of the crime he was condemned for. A number of well known figures and celebrities, including Susan Sarandon (who appeared on Dr. Phil to talk about Glossip’s case), former University of Oklahoma football coach Barry Switzer, and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), have publicly pleaded with Gov. Mary Fallin to spare Glossip’s life. Some brief history: Glossip was tried twice, convicted, and sentenced to death for the 1997 murder of his boss, motel owner Barry Van Treese. The state argued that it was a murder for hire, committed by 19-year-old Justin Sneed at the behest of Glossip. Sneed, also an employee of the hotel, admitted to beating Van Treese to death with a baseball bat, but claimed Glossip ordered him to do it in exchange for money and the opportunity to manage one of Van Treese’s motels. However, there was no corroborating evidence tying Glossip to the crime—no fingerprints, no DNA, nothing. He was convicted and sentenced to death based upon the testimony of Sneed alone. What’s worse, there’s video evidence, which Glossip’s lawyer failed to introduce to the court and therefore the jury never saw, that shows Detective Bob Bemo pushing Sneed to implicate Glossip. In exchange for this testimony, Sneed was able to avoid the death penalty. Liliana Segura and Jordan Smith at The Intercept summarized what’s on the tape: "Had members of the jury watched the tape, they would have heard [Detective] Bemo tell Sneed that before he decided whether or not to waive his rights and talk to the cops, he should consider the situation. “Before you make your mind up on anything,” Bemo cautioned him, “I want you to hear some of the things that we’ve got to say to you.” Sneed was read his rights, and then Bemo leaned in: “We know this involves more than just you, okay?” Sneed told Bemo that he didn’t “really know what to say about” what happened to Van Treese. Well, Bemo said, “everybody is saying you’re the one that did this and you did it by yourself and I don’t believe that. You know Rich is under arrest, don’t you?” No, Sneed said, he didn’t know that. “So he’s the one,” Bemo replied. “He’s putting it on you the worst.” If Sneed didn’t want to talk about the involvement of anyone else, Bemo said he would be happy to walk Sneed into the jail and book him for Van Treese’s murder, “and you would be facing this thing on your own,” Bemo said. “And I don’t think it’s just you.” Sneed obliged, confessing to the murder and blaming Glossip for it." Even Justin Sneed’s daughter, O’Ryan Justine Sneed, wrote a letter to the Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board last year saying she believed her dad’s conscience was eating at him and that he had begun to consider recanting his testimony. She asked the board to spare Glossip’s life. So why is this man, whose guilt has now been brought into question, still facing execution tomorrow? Because Glossip has exhausted all of his appeals. Since he was convicted and his sentence upheld multiple times, the burden of proof shifts from guilt to innocence. Before his conviction, the burden of proof was on the state—it had to prove that Glossip was guilty of hiring Sneed to murder Van Treese. Now, the burden of proof has shifted to Glossip; he must now show “actual innocence,” which is a much higher bar to reach than “reasonable doubt” of guilt. Unless Glossip’s lawyers are able to find a piece of evidence that proves Glossip’s “actual innocence,” Oklahoma will kill him tomorrow at 3 p.m. There are two other possible means in which Glossip’s execution may be halted tomorrow, both of which seem very unlikely. First, the U.S. Supreme Court could intervene on the basis of innocence, which seems unlikely since his lawyers do not have evidence that proves his actual innocence. His very last hope is to have his death sentence commuted to life in prison by Gov. Mary Fallin. However, she’s already indicated she will not be exercising that executive power. The likelihood of this happening decreased further this evening when Falin rejected Glossip's request for a stay of execution and issued this statement. Glossip’s case will not be the first time a man has been executed for a crime he likely did not commit. In 2004, Texas executed Cameron Todd Willingham for setting fire to his home and killing his three daughters—a fire scientists say was started accidentally by a faulty electrical wire in the attic. There’s also the case of Carlos DeLuna, executed by the state of Texas in 1989 for a crime many believe was committed by a similar looking man from a nearby neighborhood. Many convictions that have resulted in death sentences have relied, at least in part, on witness testimony, or “snitch” testimony. In 2005, the Northwestern Law School’s Center on Wrongful Convictions found that false testimony was the leading cause of known wrongful convictions in death penalty cases. False testimony was used in nearly half of all death row exonerations at that time. So, this is our justice system in 2015, folks. Despite all we know about wrongful convictions, and the fact that a likely innocent person has been put to death before, we still require a person who is about to be murdered by the state to prove his innocence, not just reasonable doubt of guilt. States are so eager to administer the highest form of punishment—death—that they’re willing to rely on the shoddiest of evidence and overlook even the most glaring examples of possible innocence to get the job done. |
Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
As someone who (as a defense lawer) was identified, under oath, in court and on the stand by a police officer as the defendant in a car theft case, I am saddened again. Btw, my client kinda looked like me & on the day the cops were to take the stand, I told my client to sit in my usual chair & dress less flashy than I did. The assistant State's atty even objected & tried to have the cop's testimony stricken from the record . She & her partner even had the nerve to be angry afterwords . Of course, the ENTIRE case hinged on eyewitness testimony. James Blake would understand. |
Author: | Chus [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
This vile woman claims to be "Pro-Life". |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
I do think there is a small place for capital punishment in this country (i.e., Boston Marathon, Colorado movie shooter, major events like that), but this is just ridiculous. Its bad enough someone who may be innocent has been sitting in jail for this long. |
Author: | Brick [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
I agree with everything said so far, but it also seems wrong to put someone to death for telling someone else to kill someone even if there is proof you did it. |
Author: | Nas [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:52 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Conservatives wrote: The law is the law
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Author: | Rod [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Regular Reader wrote: As someone who (as a defense lawer) was identified, under oath, in court and on the stand by a police officer as the defendant in a car theft case, I am saddened again. Btw, my client kinda looked like me & on the day the cops were to take the stand, I told my client to sit in my usual chair & dress less flashy than I did. The assistant State's atty even objected & tried to have the cop's testimony stricken from the record . She & her partner even had the nerve to be angry afterwords . Of course, the ENTIRE case hinged on eyewitness testimony. James Blake would understand. Most people can't believe just how unreliable eyewitness accounts often are. And the further away from the event, the less reliable they are. It's not that people are lying. They know what they saw. They'll get insistent about it. But science has shown us how shaky people's memories really are. |
Author: | Psycory [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
In my intro class, I do a couple of experiments showing how easy it is to manipulate eyewitness testimony. The next thing I tell them is no matter what, never talk to a police officer unless your lawer is present. |
Author: | Bagels [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Most people can't believe just how unreliable eyewitness accounts often are. And the further away from the event, the less reliable they are. It's not that people are lying. They know what they saw. They'll get insistent about it. But science has shown us how shaky people's memories really are. Perry Mason would bust people on that shit all the time |
Author: | BeerFan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Hollywood progressives get it wrong time and again. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/state/pr ... e42e4.html "Prejean is the author of “Dead Man Walking,” a book about a death-row inmate that was made into a 1995 movie of the same name starring Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon. Meanwhile, one of the jurors in the case, David P. Piscitello, wrote Fallin a letter saying he is confident of the jury’s decision regarding Glossip’s guilt. “We felt Richard Glossip was the mastermind behind Mr. Van Treese’s heinous and brutal murder,” he wrote. “We thought Mr. Glossip was cold, calculating, manipulative and unremorseful. A coward that bid Justin Sneed to do his dirty work and that is why we held him to a higher accountability.” The real tragedy of the media hype is that the murder victim and his family have been forgotten, Piscitello wrote." The victim and his family. The Victim and his Family. Fuck Glossip. Hang him high or whatever they do in Oklahoma (racist native american name). Victims Lives Matter |
Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Bagels wrote: Perry Mason would bust people on that shit all the time Light 'em up, top 5 favorite TV/movie attorneys!Jackie Chiles Louis Tully Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Jake Brigance Ben Matlock |
Author: | BeerFan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Richard Glossip case: Here's the story of his victim http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/courts/r ... 8b571.html Guilty. Guilty two times now. In conclusion, we say Guilty. Also, this is the 7th Guilty death row inmate that nun has 'walked with to the [gallows]'. Hang him high. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Frank Coztansa wrote: I do think there is a small place for capital punishment in this country (i.e., Boston Marathon, Colorado movie shooter, major events like that). Why? |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:17 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Bagels wrote: Perry Mason would bust people on that shit all the time Light 'em up, top 5 favorite TV/movie attorneys!Jackie Chiles Louis Tully Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Jake Brigance Ben Matlock Denny Crane Arnie Becker Dan Fielding Alan Shore The Public Defender from My Cousin Vinny |
Author: | Douchebag [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
SpiralStairs wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: I do think there is a small place for capital punishment in this country (i.e., Boston Marathon, Colorado movie shooter, major events like that). Why? Anyone who runs the Boston Marathon should be put to death. |
Author: | Chus [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Bagels wrote: Perry Mason would bust people on that shit all the time Light 'em up, top 5 favorite TV/movie attorneys!Jackie Chiles Louis Tully Vincent LaGuardia Gambini Jake Brigance Ben Matlock Lionel Hutz |
Author: | Psycory [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Jack fucking McCoy. That is his middle name. |
Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Psycory wrote: Jack fucking McCoy. That is his middle name. |
Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
I'm pretty sure Louis Tully was an accountant, and the Keymaster, and then (for a time) a dog, but not an attorney. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Low Quality Trolling. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
SomeGuy wrote: Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Low Quality Trolling. Maybe Huckabee can take the injection for him |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
rogers park bryan wrote: SomeGuy wrote: Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Low Quality Trolling. Maybe Huckabee can take the injection for him He's laser focused on gay marriage, at the moment. |
Author: | Nas [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
He lives to fight another day. He'll be a millionaire soon. |
Author: | W_Z [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Don Tiny wrote: I'm pretty sure Louis Tully was an accountant, and the Keymaster, and then (for a time) a dog, but not an attorney. he represented the ghostbusters in part II after they were arrested for digging up holes in the street. 8 million miles of cable to check... |
Author: | Darkside [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Cmon man. No fucking way that's true and secondly I find the death penalty morally reprehensible on pretty much every conceivable level. |
Author: | Nas [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Darkside wrote: Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Cmon man. No fucking way that's true and secondly I find the death penalty morally reprehensible on pretty much every conceivable level. Why are you so sensitive? It was a joke. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Darkside wrote: Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Cmon man. No fucking way that's true and secondly I find the death penalty morally reprehensible on pretty much every conceivable level. The majority of conservatives do not share your opinion though. |
Author: | Darkside [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
I guess I'm not a conservative after all. I seem to largely disagree with them. But I really never agree with liberals either. What the hell am i??? |
Author: | Scorehead [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
Darkside wrote: Nas wrote: Conservatives wrote: The law is the law Cmon man. No fucking way that's true and secondly I find the death penalty morally reprehensible on pretty much every conceivable level. How do you feel about the death penalty for guys like Dahmer & Gacy? |
Author: | 312player [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Oklahoma, and Gov. Mary Fallin |
The DP is a necessary and useful sentence. This sounds like a bad use for it in this particular case. |
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