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Author:  sjboyd0137 [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Prospect Heights School District 23...

...and all school districts that opt to strike during the school year. It is pathetic posturing that really only affects the students.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/a ... story.html

I'm very much against the "think of the children" mentality, normally.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

Teachers are worse than nurses

Author:  redskingreg [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:54 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Teachers are worse than nurses


Image

Author:  Gloopan Kuratz [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:56 pm ]
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Quote:
Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) on Wednesday said that he would like to get rid of teachers' lounges to reduce how much teachers worry about losing their jobs.

Kasich said at an education summit in New Hampshire that many teachers believe that "we’re out to take their job" when schools evaluate teacher performance and that teachers' lounges provide an environment where this worry spreads.

"No we’re not out to take their job. If you need help, we’ll help you. If you’re a terrible teacher, then you should be doing something else because you’re going to find more satisfaction doing something else that you’re good at," he said. "We have to constantly communicate that."


He then suggested that teachers' unions contribute to educators' worries.

"I’ll tell you what the unions do, unfortunately too much of the time. There’s a constant negative comment, ‘They’re going to take your benefits, they’re going to take your pay,'" Kasich said. "So if I were, not president, but if I were king in America, I would abolish all teachers' lounges, where they sit together and worry about, 'Woe is us.'"

Author:  Tad Queasy [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

frankenfurter123 wrote:
I love the woman at the end of the video. She can't even walk the picket line. She has to sit there and spray mist at the other teachers because it's a blistering 80 degrees today! What a joke. I guess when you are used to sitting all day in a perfectly climate controlled room, walking a picket line for a few hours will exhaust you.


:lol:

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:03 pm ]
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redskingreg wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Teachers are worse than nurses


Image

I played him in a Home Alone rip off Christmas play in 8th grade (I was left in school overnight by myself)

Author:  redskingreg [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

rogers park bryan wrote:
redskingreg wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Teachers are worse than nurses


Image

I played him in a Home Alone rip off Christmas play in 8th grade (I was left in school overnight by myself)


I played Bob Cratchit in my 8th grade play. My classmate and I decided to lift Tiny Tim (a kid who was bigger than both of us) up on our shoulders at the conclusion. He fell backwards, onto the gym floor. Possibly concussed.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:07 pm ]
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redskingreg wrote:
I played Bob Cratchit in my 8th grade play. My classmate and I decided to lift Tiny Tim (a kid who was bigger than both of us) up on our shoulders at the conclusion. He fell backwards, onto the gym floor. Possibly concussed.

I love the teacher who casted the big kid as Tiny Tim

Author:  redskingreg [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:09 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
redskingreg wrote:
I played Bob Cratchit in my 8th grade play. My classmate and I decided to lift Tiny Tim (a kid who was bigger than both of us) up on our shoulders at the conclusion. He fell backwards, onto the gym floor. Possibly concussed.

I love the teacher who casted the big kid as Tiny Tim


Kid couldn't act. Needed someone with minimal lines as TT.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

I went to District 23. Go Ross-Sullivan Cardinals!

Author:  good dolphin [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:02 pm ]
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sjboyd0137 wrote:
...and all school districts that opt to strike during the school year. It is pathetic posturing that really only affects the students.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/a ... story.html

I'm very much against the "think of the children" mentality, normally.


If they strike during the summer the government would dick around right up to the day school is about to begin and then demonize the teachers for missing the beginning of the school year.

Teaching is a calling to many but they also need to feed their families

Author:  a retard [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

Big salary, max benefits, off 1/3 of the year, eventual tenure and many districts that pay the teacher's portion of retirement contribution, I'd say their families eat quite well.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:44 am ]
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a retard wrote:
Big salary, max benefits, off 1/3 of the year, eventual tenure and many districts that pay the teacher's portion of retirement contribution, I'd say their families eat quite well.


I guess that's a relative term

Author:  spanky [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:47 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
a retard wrote:
Big salary, max benefits, off 1/3 of the year, eventual tenure and many districts that pay the teacher's portion of retirement contribution, I'd say their families eat quite well.


I guess that's a relative term

Also - my last day of school last year was June 13.
My first required day back this year was August 12.
Not exactly 1/3 of the year off.
Although I do fully plan on getting 100% of my pension - that I pay for every two weeks - what could possibly interfere with that? :lol:

Author:  KDdidit [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:27 am ]
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Like no districts pay the teacher's portion of retirement. That's reserved for bad administrators.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:33 am ]
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spanky wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
a retard wrote:
Big salary, max benefits, off 1/3 of the year, eventual tenure and many districts that pay the teacher's portion of retirement contribution, I'd say their families eat quite well.


I guess that's a relative term

Also - my last day of school last year was June 13.
My first required day back this year was August 12.
Not exactly 1/3 of the year off.
Although I do fully plan on getting 100% of my pension - that I pay for every two weeks - what could possibly interfere with that? :lol:

So counting vacations, what is the actual number?

Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:53 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
a retard wrote:
Big salary, max benefits, off 1/3 of the year, eventual tenure and many districts that pay the teacher's portion of retirement contribution, I'd say their families eat quite well.


I guess that's a relative term

Also - my last day of school last year was June 13.
My first required day back this year was August 12.
Not exactly 1/3 of the year off.
Although I do fully plan on getting 100% of my pension - that I pay for every two weeks - what could possibly interfere with that? :lol:

So counting vacations, what is the actual number?

Wife says their contract calls for 186 school days. FWIW when she went back to school to get her teaching degree after working corporate for 8 years, she hasn't even come close to making the salary she left and she's been teaching for 10 years now in an affluent district.

Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:08 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Wife says their contract calls for 186 school days. FWIW when she went back to school to get her teaching degree after working corporate for 8 years, she hasn't even come close to making the salary she left and she's been teaching for 10 years now in an affluent district.

According to A Retard, you're eating lobster every night for dinner.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:11 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Wife says their contract calls for 186 school days. FWIW when she went back to school to get her teaching degree after working corporate for 8 years, she hasn't even come close to making the salary she left and she's been teaching for 10 years now in an affluent district.

According to A Retard, you're eating lobster every night for dinner.

Only when the maid feels like cooking

Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:14 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Wife says their contract calls for 186 school days. FWIW when she went back to school to get her teaching degree after working corporate for 8 years, she hasn't even come close to making the salary she left and she's been teaching for 10 years now in an affluent district.

According to A Retard, you're eating lobster every night for dinner.

Only when the maid feels like cooking

:lol: :lol:

Author:  Brick [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:26 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Well, I wouldnt count weekends in the contest of saying teachers are "off"


So Spanky gets like 9 weeks in summer. How much of spring and winter break do teachers get off? Like another two weeks?

Author:  Brick [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:33 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Well, I wouldnt count weekends in the contest of saying teachers are "off"
Neither am I. There are 260 weekdays in a year. There are a few ways to come up with the numbers if you include holidays or not. It still ends up being 26-28%.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:34 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Well, I wouldnt count weekends in the contest of saying teachers are "off"


So Spanky gets like 9 weeks in summer. How much of spring and winter break do teachers get off? Like another two weeks?

2 for xmas, 1 for spring

Author:  conns7901 [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:10 pm ]
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KDdidit wrote:
Like no districts pay the teacher's portion of retirement. That's reserved for bad administrators.


CPS does and I know Peotone does to. Some school districts went to that years ago so it could look like they didn't give raises. Though it is not the norm.

Author:  a retard [ Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:15 am ]
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conns7901 wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Like no districts pay the teacher's portion of retirement. That's reserved for bad administrators.


CPS does and I know Peotone does to. Some school districts went to that years ago so it could look like they didn't give raises. Though it is not the norm.


In part, from http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-p ... story.html

Quote:
Little-noticed pension perk for teachers widespread in Illinois

A brief but significant phrase appears about halfway through the 106-page teachers union contract in northwest suburban School District 21:

"The Board shall pay the entire amount of the staff member's contribution to the Teachers' Retirement System (TRS)."

What that means, according to administrators, is that nearly 500 teachers in the Wheeling-based district don't have to pay anything toward their pensions — a perk worth several million dollars. Instead, the district and its local taxpayers cover the cost of teachers' pension contributions — 9.4 percent of their earnings.

Author:  pittmike [ Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:42 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Well, I wouldnt count weekends in the contest of saying teachers are "off"
Neither am I. There are 260 weekdays in a year. There are a few ways to come up with the numbers if you include holidays or not. It still ends up being 26-28%.



So if you up the median teacher salary by your 26-28% to normalize the pay what do you get?

Author:  pittmike [ Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:43 am ]
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a retard wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Like no districts pay the teacher's portion of retirement. That's reserved for bad administrators.


CPS does and I know Peotone does to. Some school districts went to that years ago so it could look like they didn't give raises. Though it is not the norm.


In part, from http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-p ... story.html

Quote:
Little-noticed pension perk for teachers widespread in Illinois

A brief but significant phrase appears about halfway through the 106-page teachers union contract in northwest suburban School District 21:

"The Board shall pay the entire amount of the staff member's contribution to the Teachers' Retirement System (TRS)."

What that means, according to administrators, is that nearly 500 teachers in the Wheeling-based district don't have to pay anything toward their pensions — a perk worth several million dollars. Instead, the district and its local taxpayers cover the cost of teachers' pension contributions — 9.4 percent of their earnings.


Wow.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:55 am ]
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pittmike wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Well, I wouldnt count weekends in the contest of saying teachers are "off"
Neither am I. There are 260 weekdays in a year. There are a few ways to come up with the numbers if you include holidays or not. It still ends up being 26-28%.



So if you up the median teacher salary by your 26-28% to normalize the pay what do you get?

Huh?

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 18, 2015 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Prospect Heights School District 23...

pittmike wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's more like 26-28% of the year off depending on how you do the math if you assume a 5 day work week as standard.

Well, I wouldnt count weekends in the contest of saying teachers are "off"
Neither am I. There are 260 weekdays in a year. There are a few ways to come up with the numbers if you include holidays or not. It still ends up being 26-28%.



So if you up the median teacher salary by your 26-28% to normalize the pay what do you get?
A little more than a quarter more salary.

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