Firing Matt Williams
we know from all the air heads around here its not the manager its the players 
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Washington Nationals |
Firing Matt Williams we know from all the air heads around here its not the manager its the players
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Raw Deal Williams. Poor bastard just didn't get good players. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:37 pm ] |
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Darkside wrote: Raw Deal Williams. Poor bastard just didn't get good players. He was Manager of the Year in 2014. He became bad this season. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Darkside wrote: Raw Deal Williams. Poor bastard just didn't get good players. He was Manager of the Year in 2014. He became bad this season. Obviously. He just didn't get any players. He had great players last year. TERRIBLE players this year. A complete change of players. For the worst. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Players that didn't play as well. It happens. Far more often than managers being lobotomized. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:41 pm ] |
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Joe you are becoming Tammy Duckworth......you don't have a leg to stand on |
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| Author: | spmack [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Joe you are becoming Tammy Duckworth......you don't have a leg to stand on Very Shakes-ian joke. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Joe you are becoming Tammy Duckworth......you don't have a leg to stand on 
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Sox on Sox crime. Mark Parent is gone. It's a new day. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
So is the argument here that Matt Williams is the reason the Nats sucked this year or that the players played worse which is also his fault? |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:02 pm ] |
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badrogue17 wrote: So is the argument here that Matt Williams is the reason the Nats sucked this year or that the players played worse which is also his fault? No you meathead ...the argument here is Williams was fired and Ventura still has a job...Jesus Christ 
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:06 pm ] |
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Walt Williams Neck wrote: No you meathead ... 
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Williams lost the team. They didn't play hard for him because they didn't respect him. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Reading more on the Williams deal with Nationals it seems him winnig MOtY was out-of-town stupid. He made many tactical errors but was bailed out due to having superior talent. Fast forward to 2015 where injuries plagued the Nationals and he couldn't rely on having 9 better guys than the opponent every game. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:18 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Williams lost the team. They didn't play hard for him because they didn't respect him. and the Sox have played hard for Robin??? Meathead II |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:22 pm ] |
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They did play hard for him. The effort was there but the talent wasn't. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:41 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: They did play hard for him. The effort was there but the talent wasn't. And yet, many of those "untalented" guys have had better seasons under other managers. Williams had issues with his coaching staff who weren't his guys. I don't disagree that he "lost" his team, but I don't think that makes him a "bad" manager, it's just a bad situation. It certainly isn't fair to credit the players when things are good and then blame the manager when things are bad, but that's just the way it usually goes. Although it seems plenty of people are crediting Maddon for the hitting of Rizzo and Bryant and the pitching of Arrieta. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
He created the bad situation by going after Bryce Harper. He thought he would be the big tough guy manager by putting the most talented player in baseball in his place and it back fired. The players backed Harper and not the coach. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Maybe Matt should have had magicians and costumes? |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:58 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: Maybe Matt should have had magicians and costumes? Zoo animals and sleep overs and pajama parties, oh my! |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
it's impressive how much real estate maddon owns in the subdivision's head. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:12 pm ] |
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All the PEDs turned his brain to mush. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:24 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: He created the bad situation by going after Bryce Harper. He thought he would be the big tough guy manager by putting the most talented player in baseball in his place and it back fired. The players backed Harper and not the coach. Not Papelbon. 
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:29 pm ] |
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Yeah well the players don't like that idiot either. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:30 pm ] |
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i thought we could DB the natinals for essentially pulling a silence of the lambs and making an "expo suit" out of the skins/remains of the montreal expos and then parading around like they're such a pretty lil baseball team: #ZombieBaseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you say #NATITUDE, i say #EXPOCIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:35 pm ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Yeah well the players don't like that idiot either. Theo does. |
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| Author: | Matches Malone [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Regular Reader wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Yeah well the players don't like that idiot either. Theo does. The venom is flowing nicely. Remember, pace yourself before first pitch. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
Keyser Soze wrote: Yeah well the players don't like that idiot either. Trading for him was the real problem. Sure, there were issues with Williams' communication, but the team was really lost when the front office demoted Storen. One of the beat writers wrote a great comprehensive story about the downfall of the 2015 Nationals. The players were pissed about Storen losing the closer job as well as the front office's unwillingness to pay the homegrown players when their time came while bringing in Papelbon and $11 million for next season. The players talked about all the "Nationals Way" stuff that they bought into, but then management has no problem letting the "Way" guys walk and replacing them with outsiders unfamiliar with the "Way". That's something Theo has to guard against and an inherent problem with establishing a "Way". Fortunately for Cub fans, I think Theo is smarter than Mike Rizzo. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Washington Nationals |
if there ever was an argument for managers being important to teams, this team would be a good example. The Nats were done before Papelidiot joined up. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:38 am ] |
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City of Fools wrote: if there ever was an argument for managers being important to teams, this team would be a good example. The Nats were done before Papelidiot joined up. That's not true. They were starting to roll. That's why they thought they needed a closer. They were 10 over on July 17, their highwater mark for the season. Papelbon came about a week or so later. They were spooked about Storen's previous meltdowns in big spots. And it wasn't Papelbon specifically that angered the team, it was that they demoted Storen. |
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