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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Roger Butler |
He's the baseball coach at Genoa Kingston HS and he let his pitcher throw 167 pitches yesterday. This is after he threw a complete game on Saturday and pitched 2 innings on Monday. The Kid is committed to Illinois St and has a chance to be pretty good if this dumbass hasn't already ruined him. If I were a coach at ISU I'd be driving up there to kick the shit out this asshole. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
So his son is the pitcher? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Hell no. He wouldn't treat his son like this. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
so the kid is an orphan then? |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Oh I get it. You're blaming the parents and not the guy who is paid to be a responsible adult and keep his players out of harms way. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Keyser Soze wrote: Oh I get it. You're blaming the parents and not the guy who is paid to be a responsible adult and keep his players out of harms way. Well, they certainly share some of the blame. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
granted the coach is an idiot, but the parents must be on board too. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Hatchetman wrote: granted the coach is an idiot, but the parents must be on board too. Maybe they're vacationing in the South of France and unawares. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
I have trouble getting worked up over this sort of thing. The chance that his best moments of glory are right now is pretty good. Let him lay it on the line. His arm isn't going to fall off. He's not going to be a big league pitcher. I doubt this is going to kill his college career either. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
every day I drive up to Genoa from Sycamore. And every day I ask myself...why would anyone want to live here? I still have no answers. Roger Butler is no Jason Cavanaugh. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I have trouble getting worked up over this sort of thing. The chance that his best moments of glory are right now is pretty good. Let him lay it on the line. His arm isn't going to fall off. He's not going to be a big league pitcher. I doubt this is going to kill his college career either. I could possibly see this if it was the state playoffs. Probably not still but would understand. There is no reason to over work a kid in April let alone throw 167 pitches in an outing. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
The clown should be fired, I can't even think of anyone ever throwing 167 in a game and this kid is 17. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
A couple years ago I saw a college guy throw 183 pitches in a game. He was drafted and made 1 or 2 appearances in pro ball before he got hurt had surgery and was released. He tried to make a comeback last year in the Frontier league but he had nothing and was released again. I haven't heard anything about him so his career is most likely over. I seriously doubt he would say that game was worth it. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Kind of reminds me of a kid here in the city whose coach sent him out on a cold late March day 2-3 years ago to throw 120+ pitches in a meaningless game (except for the largely irrelevant fact that it was vs. a big time Catholic league team). He basically shut them down...but didn't pitch again for the team that as usual, came up short in the playoffs. Guess what. Arm issues. Goofy coach. I was told that his dad (who wasn't at the game) was big on him never pitching for that coach again. Fortunately for the kid, his scholarship was there as was his spot in a MLB organization. I hope he's still comfortable. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
My nephew got hurt pitching in a cold game. Pitching in the north sucks and these dumbass coaches have to start protecting their players. My guy KLaw is all over this story. Hopefully this starts some serious action to get pitch and innings limits for HS players. There is no reason to subject players to this kind of abuse. |
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| Author: | Baby McNown [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
So you now want parents to be walking onto a field demanding that their kid be pulled to save his possible future career? Somehow I think if they did that they would have gotten the DBOTW and not the coach |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Keyser Soze wrote: My nephew got hurt pitching in a cold game. Pitching in the north sucks and these dumbass coaches have to start protecting their players. My guy KLaw is all over this story. Hopefully this starts some serious action to get pitch and innings limits for HS players. There is no reason to subject players to this kind of abuse. Blaming the coaches only in this seems to be a bit short sighted. Is pitching 100 pitches in the north harder on your arm than pitching 100 in the south? What should the pitch count/inning limit be? How is it monitored? Is a coach that has a pitcher throw 150 pitches in a game going to abide by a pitch count? Seems like something that sounds good, but harder to make happen. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Reminds me of the city playoffs in 1999. We had our ace (Justin Turner) pitching on 2 days rest. He threw what had to be close to 200 pitches in the city championship game. At the end he was throwing with all heart. We won so I guess it was worth it. |
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| Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Nas wrote: Reminds me of the city playoffs in 1999. We had our ace (Justin Turner) pitching on 2 days rest. He threw what had to be close to 200 pitches in the city championship game. At the end he was throwing with all heart. We won so I guess it was worth it. How much were you guys losing by if he got up to 200 pitches? If he was an ace, don't you get that shit done in 100? |
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| Author: | a retard [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Perhaps the kid is a knuckleballer? Wikipedia wrote: On May 28, 1973, while pitching for the White Sox against the Cleveland Indians, [Wilbur] Wood pitched the remainder of a 21-inning carryover game that had been suspended two nights earlier, allowing only two hits in five innings to earn the victory. He then started the regularly scheduled game and pitched a four-hit complete game shutout, earning two wins in the same night. Later that season, on July 20, Wood started both ends of a doubleheader, making him the last pitcher to do so.[7]
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| Author: | 312player [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Heard a guy this mornin on hit n run ( Jeff something) from Yahoo.. Was talking about a youth tourney where each team picks one guy to pitch All their games n this kid ( who threw mid 90's) three 775 pitches in 9 days..he was drafted and has had arm problems since.. Can't bust 90 on the gun. |
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| Author: | newper [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 4:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
For the record, I threw no pitches in HS and I didn't make the major leagues, so maybe the coach knows what he is doing. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
If he knew what he was doing he would manage his team and not ride his best player into the ground. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
newper wrote: For the record, I threw no pitches in HS and I didn't make the major leagues, so maybe the coach knows what he is doing. I feel safe in saying the coach is a fucking idiot. |
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| Author: | Scooter [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
I used to throw at least 150 every four days when I was 16-19 even in the winter to stay in game shape. Mostly fastballs not a lot of breaking stuff. Me and a couple buddies threw inside a huge heated machine shed all seasons rain or shine. Young arms not stressing during game situations are not going to get injured. Game stress is different. Not a smart thing at all. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed May 25, 2016 7:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-h ... story.html It's about time. |
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| Author: | IMU [ Wed May 25, 2016 7:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Pussification of America. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed May 25, 2016 7:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Keyser Soze wrote: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-high-school-baseball-pitch-count-illinois-met-20160524-story.html It's about time. Until we see pitch limits on travel ball and the end to year round pitching, this won't do a ton to stop the injuries. Kids could also put the baseball down for a few months in the fall and winter and pick up a basketball or a football. That would probably help with arm injuries. |
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| Author: | TurdFerguson [ Wed May 25, 2016 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
Is their any liability to the school if on pitch 168 his arm explodes and surgery is required? It seems like at some point in high school sports there is a level of negligence |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed May 25, 2016 9:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Roger Butler |
conns7901 wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-high-school-baseball-pitch-count-illinois-met-20160524-story.html It's about time. Until we see pitch limits on travel ball and the end to year round pitching, this won't do a ton to stop the injuries. Kids could also put the baseball down for a few months in the fall and winter and pick up a basketball or a football. That would probably help with arm injuries. Limiting pitches and innings in the spring when it's cold and when pitchers body's aren't ready for that kind of work load is a very important first step. You're preaching to the choir with your second point. |
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