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Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Major League Baseball
At the bare minimum, a professional franchise is supposed to attempt to field a competitive team. The 76ers were routinely mocked and the NBA had to step in because they were an embarrassment to the league. In MLB, 40% of the league is the 76ers. Pathetic.
Author:  Bagels [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
it's all Theo's fault
Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
FavreFan wrote:
At the bare minimum, a professional franchise is supposed to attempt to field a competitive team. The 76ers were routinely mocked and the NBA had to step in because they were an embarrassment to the league. In MLB, 40% of the league is the 76ers. Pathetic.

Seconded. The Marlins did this shit for years and everyone hated them for it. Now it's Really Smart and supporting it makes you a Really Smart Fan.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
I mean, I hate the White Sox, of course, but at least they go out there every day with the intention of winning a ballgame. I never thought that would become such a novel concept.
Author:  Rod [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
FavreFan wrote:
At the bare minimum, a professional franchise is supposed to attempt to field a competitive team. The 76ers were routinely mocked and the NBA had to step in because they were an embarrassment to the league. In MLB, 40% of the league is the 76ers. Pathetic.



In the NL. Not MLB.
Author:  Don Tiny [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
All of which makes any talk of expansion 10x dumber than it already is in the first place.
Author:  312player [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Curious Hair wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
At the bare minimum, a professional franchise is supposed to attempt to field a competitive team. The 76ers were routinely mocked and the NBA had to step in because they were an embarrassment to the league. In MLB, 40% of the league is the 76ers. Pathetic.

Seconded. The Marlins did this shit for years and everyone hated them for it. Now it's Really Smart and supporting it makes you a Really Smart Fan.




Marlins have 2 rings in 20 years!
Author:  America [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
It is interesting how its strictly an NL strategy. Every single AL team is trying to be competitive, even Minnesota who has just had a disastrous start to the year.

The flip side is in 2-3 years all these tanking teams are either going to abandon The Plan, or start bearing the fruits of tanking and becoming #wearegood. By that time the Cubs will be suffering under the weight of shitty contracts to Heyward and Lester while all the Babe Ruth's will either be washed out or salivating at the mega contracts Boston, NY, LA etc. will be offering. For every bit the Cubs chances of winning it all increase by the rest of the NL (except for about 5 teams) giving up on the season, the more it becomes imperative that they win their title in the next 2 seasons. Their window is shrinking fast.
Author:  Hockey Gay [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
The NL is the smarter league for the smarter fan. You mouth breathing AL fans can continue to be proud of your mediocrity.
Author:  Northside_Dan [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Who is officially 'tanking' in the NL?

Phillies, Braves, Reds, Brewers, Padres and Rockies?


Seems like a normal amount of terrible teams.
Author:  312player [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
The worst team in mlb is Minnesota.
Author:  Rod [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
312player wrote:
The worst team in mlb is Minnesota.



Not even close. The seven worst teams in baseball are in the NL.
Author:  Hockey Gay [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
312player wrote:
The worst team in mlb is Minnesota.

They overachieved last season but they're not THIS bad. I haven't seen the Braves really play yet but they might be the worst this season. Houston is also being exposed for who I kind of thought they were (they completely overachieved last season too). Marlins are dogshit as well. Rockies have great offense and defense but the worst pitching. Brewers are probably really bad but haven't watched them. Phillies are bad but improved.

Top 3 worst:

Braves
Marlins
Reds
Author:  America [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Northside_Dan wrote:
Who is officially 'tanking' in the NL?

Phillies, Braves, Reds, Brewers, Padres and Rockies?


Seems like a normal amount of terrible teams.

Marlins also. The Diamondbacks may as well be. There are 7 NL teams competing for 6 playoff spots, which is a complete fucking joke.
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Hogwash
Author:  KDdidit [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
America wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Who is officially 'tanking' in the NL?

Phillies, Braves, Reds, Brewers, Padres and Rockies?


Seems like a normal amount of terrible teams.

Marlins also. The Diamondbacks may as well be. There are 7 NL teams competing for 6 playoff spots, which is a complete fucking joke.

Competing for the 3rd wildcard spot?
Author:  Rod [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Northside_Dan wrote:
Who is officially 'tanking' in the NL?

Phillies, Braves, Reds, Brewers, Padres and Rockies?


Seems like a normal amount of terrible teams.



There always has been and always will be teams on the bottom. What's new and different is that purposeful awfulness is now part of "The Plan". In the past if a team could make a move to make a 75 win team into a 79 win team, it was a no-brainer. They did it. The new philosophy is that "there is no glory in winning 80 games."
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
There is a fundamental problem with Bernsie types philosophy that only championships matter. When only one per year can win it there is nothing left to do but lay down. Unless you go with his other philosophy that you can just get to the playoffs for a bite at the apple or a wheel spin or whatever. I get confused what I am supposed to root for to be really smart.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
pittmike wrote:
There is a fundamental problem with Bernsie types philosophy that only championships matter. When only one per year can win it there is nothing left to do but lay down. Unless you go with his other philosophy that you can just get to the playoffs for a bite at the apple or a wheel spin or whatever. I get confused what I am supposed to root for to be really smart.



It's easy to promote tanking when you never go to any games. You just change the channel for three years.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
It's easy to promote tanking when you never go to any games. You just change the channel for three years.
:alien:
Author:  jimmypasta [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Don Tiny wrote:
All of which makes any talk of expansion 10x dumber than it already is in the first place.



C'mon,don't you miss a "LeGrand Le Orange?

Maybe with a Matt Murton in LF for the new Expos?

Image
Author:  City of Fools [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
FavreFan wrote:
At the bare minimum, a professional franchise is supposed to attempt to field a competitive team. The 76ers were routinely mocked and the NBA had to step in because they were an embarrassment to the league. In MLB, 40% of the league is the 76ers. Pathetic.

step in and did what exactly?

It's just an overreaction. In a few years tanking will be seen as stupid too.
Author:  GoldenJet [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
So all the bitter White Sox fans are mad at the League for helping the Cubs look good...that's nice.
Author:  Rod [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
GoldenJet wrote:
So all the bitter White Sox fans are mad at the League for helping the Cubs look good...that's nice.



I don't think any Sox fans are mad. It's just a fact that many teams are tanking in the NL. It's Cub fans that seem upset about it.

And what do Sox fans have to be bitter about? That the Sox are half game worse than the supposed best team of all time?
Author:  GoldenJet [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
that they would be ahead of the Cubs if not for the tankers
Author:  Rod [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
GoldenJet wrote:
that they would be ahead of the Cubs if not for the tankers



I don't know about that. It's purely hypothetical. The Reds are obviously tanking but they've played better than management- or anyone else- expected. But I think it's safe to say the AL is a much stronger league than the NL right now.
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
America wrote:
It is interesting how its strictly an NL strategy. Every single AL team is trying to be competitive, even Minnesota who has just had a disastrous start to the year.

The flip side is in 2-3 years all these tanking teams are either going to abandon The Plan, or start bearing the fruits of tanking and becoming #wearegood. By that time the Cubs will be suffering under the weight of shitty contracts to Heyward and Lester while all the Babe Ruth's will either be washed out or salivating at the mega contracts Boston, NY, LA etc. will be offering. For every bit the Cubs chances of winning it all increase by the rest of the NL (except for about 5 teams) giving up on the season, the more it becomes imperative that they win their title in the next 2 seasons. Their window is shrinking fast.



Just another stupid post by America. The Cubs can afford to pay inflated contracts to guys if they choose to, as new streams of revenue are available to them now (signage, new partners) and will be soon (Hotel, Plaza, new TV contract) that will allow them to keep as many of the exceptional players they have, as well as signing others, should the need/ desire to do so arise. The window on Jake Arrieta is the only one I see in question, as Boras always wants to get every dollar possible. but the core will remain together for many years and Arrieta is here through 2017 at least. If he gets a 300 million dollar offer from someone after that, you sign the next best guy and continue the teams improvement with guys like Almora, Contreras and Glyber and continue the era of dominance that has only just beginning.
Author:  GoldenJet [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
It does sound pretty idiotic to worry about what the Ricketts are paying players. They can afford it. There's no hard cap to punish teams for mistakes. Who gives a shit what they pay and if it's too much?
Author:  Elmhurst Steve [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
that they would be ahead of the Cubs if not for the tankers



I don't know about that. It's purely hypothetical. The Reds are obviously tanking but they've played better than management- or anyone else- expected. But I think it's safe to say the AL is a much stronger league than the NL right now.


Not at all. The Nationals and Cubs are the two best teams in Baseball. Not just by their records, but overall. The Mets, Cardinals, Pirates, Dodgers and Diamondbacks are all very good teams as well. The national league may have several teams (Reds, Brewers, Padres, Braves and Rockies) currently not really trying to contend, but it also has more really good teams than the AL, where there is much more parity, but very few real good teams.
Author:  FavreFan [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Major League Baseball
GoldenJet wrote:
So all the bitter White Sox fans are mad at the League for helping the Cubs look good...that's nice.

I know Cub fans are a self centered bunch generally, but there was nothing in my post you could have gotten this from. Relax man. Enjoy your teams success and quit worrying about the Sox all the time. Neither team was brought up in the OP.
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