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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 12:59 pm 
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leashyourkids wrote:
This is going to sound cliché, and the cynics will make fun if me, but it took a lot of pot (and LSD, etc) and a lot of hanging out with the truly disenfranchised to understand and appreciate black culture and sub-cultures. It is easy to make it black and white (no pun) and to denounce all of that culture as stupid and criminal. But it's not accurate. It's much, much more complicated than that.

Well said (although the pot and LSD wasnt neccessary)


Many would just look at that and say "yeah, well we all have problems"


I thought The Wire did an awesome job of showing the different worlds we all live in


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It was absolutely necessary. My mind is typically one that is very judgmental. I needed something to expand my line of thought beyond the small world I knew.

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but i post these acey cuts for badrogue to show the absurdity of them... you can't expect regular people to catch on to this shit.... i mean most people dont like rap at all. they like the beats and they like the hooks and they like being racially cool with black people (or so they think)

You just crushed Dan Bernstein's little heart , sini.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 1:05 pm 
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leashyourkids wrote:
It was absolutely necessary. My mind is typically one that is very judgmental. I needed something to expand my line of thought beyond the small world I knew.

I mean in general, its not a necessary part of understanding other cultures.


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leashyourkids wrote:
It was absolutely necessary. My mind is typically one that is very judgmental. I needed something to expand my line of thought beyond the small world I knew.

I mean in general, its not a necessary part of understanding other cultures.


Agreed, but it doesn't hurt. :D

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I've always said that all cultures should be judged by those who do the most drugs.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I've always said that all cultures should be judged by those who do the most drugs.


I can promise you the world would be a much better place. But only certain drugs.

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[Verse 1: 2Pac]
I see no changes, wake up in the morning and I ask myself:
"Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?"
I'm tired of being poor and, even worse, I'm black
My stomach hurts so I'm looking for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
Pull the trigger, kill a n****, he's a hero
"Give the crack to the kids: who the hell cares?
One less hungry mouth on the welfare!"
First ship 'em dope and let 'em deal to brothers
Give 'em guns, step back, watch 'em kill each other
"It's time to fight back," that's what Huey said
Two shots in the dark, now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother
But we can never go nowhere unless we share with each other
We gotta start making changes
Learn to see me as a brother instead of two distant strangers
And that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
But things change... and that's the way it is

[Hook: Talent]
That's just the way it is
Things'll never be the same
That's just the way it is
Aww yeah

[Verse 2: 2Pac]
I see no changes, all I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under, I wonder what it takes to make this
One better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people, they'll be acting right
Cause both Black and White are smoking crack tonight
And the only time we chill is when we kill each other
It takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven-sent
We ain't ready to see a black president
It ain't a secret, don't conceal the fact:
The penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
Try to show another way but you staying in the dope game
Now tell me, what's a mother to do?
Being real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" but you made it in a sleazy way
Selling crack to the kids, "I gotta get paid!"
Well hey, but that's the way it is

[Hook: Talent]

[2Pac Talking]
We gotta make a change
It's time for us as a people to start making some changes
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
And let's change the way we treat each other
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
What we gotta do to survive

[Verse 3: 2Pac]
And still I see no changes, can't a brother get a little peace
It's war on the streets and a war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty
They got a war on drugs so the police can bother me
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
But now I'm back with the facts giving it back to you
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up
Crack you up and pimp-smack you up
You gotta learn to hold your own
They get jealous when they see you with your mobile phone
But tell the cops they "can't touch this"
I don't trust this, when they try to rush I bust this
That's the sound of my tool
You say it ain't cool, my mama didn't raise no fool
And as long as I stay black, I gotta stay strapped
And I never get to lay back
Cause I always got to worry 'bout the payback
Some buck that I roughed up way back
Coming back after all these years
"Rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat!" That's the way it is

[Hook: Talent]

[2Pac]
Some things'll never change

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:44 pm 
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Honestly I am not trying to be funny at all here but Hit em Up reminds me a lot of Fleetwood Mac's Go Your Own Way. One was far less violent obviously. It was such raw emotion in go your own way that made it great. Seeing Lindsey and Coke Enema scream at each other was great. The Christie and Mick undertones only add to it.

Hit em Up was as visceral as anything though. It wasn't fake visceral. It was two former friends in a game over their head. Who Shot Ya didn't help. Hit em Up doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy or good about humanity. It shouldn't. It was powerful though like Fleet song just a sadder version of it. I can go on about why the social disparity of the times and the two groups involved make sense but you either know or don't care.

I remember buying Doggy Style and the new Sugar album one night from a record store. The guy just looked at me. I could only offer, man I love Husker Du.

90's rap was pretty important. It muddied up the better talents like Eric B and Rakim but the Chronic truly brought it over to the white public more than Run/Aerosmith did. They opened a door as did PE and Anthrax.

That being said Tupac was influential and yes actually a good acting talent. He would have had a good career and likely matured well ( maybe Cobain would have or Nick Drake). I think Biggie was a better wordsmith overall though.

Does anyone remember in clockers when Chuck D was being disrespected? Always humored me.

Burn Hollywood Burn.


Up next my views on Kanye, Chief Keef, Metallica, Screeching Weasel, Faith No More and the Grateful Dead. Maybe Robert Johnson too.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:18 pm 
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mel junior wrote:
Digital Underground has never been the same.



Very true. Just remember shock g put the satin on your panties. Also recall the great cameo in Nothing But Trouble. Very strange movie.


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Erotic Lawyer wrote:
Honestly I am not trying to be funny at all here but Hit em Up reminds me a lot of Fleetwood Mac's Go Your Own Way. One was far less violent obviously. It was such raw emotion in go your own way that made it great. Seeing Lindsey and Coke Enema scream at each other was great. The Christie and nut undertones only add to it.

Hit em Up was as visceral as anything though. It wasn't fake visceral. It was two former friends in a game over their head. Who Shot Ya didn't help. Hit em Up doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy or good about humanity. It shouldn't. It was powerful though like Fleet song just a sadder version of it. I can go on about why the social disparity of the times and the two groups involved make sense but you either know or don't care.

I remember buying Doggy Style and the new Sugar album one night from a record store. The guy just looked at me. I could only offer, man I love Husker Du.

90's rap was pretty important. It muddied up the better talents like Eric B and Rakim but the Chronic truly brought it over to the white public more than Run/Aerosmith did. They opened a door as did PE and Anthrax.

That being said Tupac was influential and yes actually a good acting talent. He would have had a good career and likely matured well ( maybe Cobain would have or Nick Drake). I think Biggie was a better wordsmith overall though.

Does anyone remember in clockers when Chuck D was being disrespected? Always humored me.

Burn Hollywood Burn.


Up next my views on Kanye, Chief Keef, Metallica, Screeching Weasel, Faith No More and the Grateful Dead. Maybe Robert Johnson too.

I always thought the rat packed music was the original bragging rap

Songs about how awesome they were, how they partied and the women they got with some stuff from the heart sprinkled in iccassionally

My Way totally translates to hip hop

Chief Keef is the worst


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Damn fine analogy and I am sure that bravado inspired them.

Chief Keef the worst? Yup. I have to say he embodies one of the worst to ever get fame. He got his 3 mildo headphone deal, he got his fame. He is pretty bad. A small part of me admires his attitude in a certain light. He was 16 and on house arrest and he made it. He isn't talentless. He is awful but far from talentless. If he can make the conversion from young thug to legit act he might be ok. He is unique. The music and lyrics are awful but the production is good.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
He was awesome in Juice, too


Eventually he would have been a great actor, imo.

He pretty much got the same role in the ones he was in. I think that would have changed.


Actually Gridlock'd was a pretty good role. The movie just wasn't that good. Him and Tim Roth stabbing each other was great!


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