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If we really want to get serious, then Sabbath playing Children of the Grave at the Live Cal Jam in '74 has to be mentioned.

Geezer's going nuts. For headbangers only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39EiI-NR4I


Not many have had a worse stage presence over their career then Ozzy. :lol:

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If we really want to get serious, then Sabbath playing Children of the Grave at the Live Cal Jam in '74 has to be mentioned.

Geezer's going nuts. For headbangers only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39EiI-NR4I


Not many have had a worse stage presence over their career then Ozzy. :lol:

Man I dont know that's true. Ozzy was pretty damn good when I saw him during No More Tours. He was pretty good during the first couple ozzfest too, until rob halford upstaged him.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
If we really want to get serious, then Sabbath playing Children of the Grave at the Live Cal Jam in '74 has to be mentioned.

Geezer's going nuts. For headbangers only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39EiI-NR4I


Not many have had a worse stage presence over their career then Ozzy. :lol:

Man I dont know that's true. Ozzy was pretty damn good when I saw him during No More Tours. He was pretty good during the first couple ozzfest too, until rob halford upstaged him.


I love me the dark master but my recollection was pretty much that clip. A lot of standing/hopping and clapping.

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pittmike wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
If we really want to get serious, then Sabbath playing Children of the Grave at the Live Cal Jam in '74 has to be mentioned.

Geezer's going nuts. For headbangers only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U39EiI-NR4I


Not many have had a worse stage presence over their career then Ozzy. :lol:

Man I dont know that's true. Ozzy was pretty damn good when I saw him during No More Tours. He was pretty good during the first couple ozzfest too, until rob halford upstaged him.


I love me the dark master but my recollection was pretty much that clip. A lot of standing/hopping and clapping.


Later years have added running around with a water cannon...it's...something.

I saw him last fall...his band is tight. Ozzy was fine.

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Hey Don Tiny.......

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James Brown killing them with the cape act on the TAMI show.

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James Brown killing them with the cape act on the TAMI show.

https://youtu.be/WMqM4lZGiK0

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultur ... n-minutes/


That is a solid nomination.

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James Brown killing them with the cape act on the TAMI show.

https://youtu.be/WMqM4lZGiK0

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultur ... n-minutes/


Nice. The Netflix has a special on JB right now. Good stuff and mentions this show. Mick Jagger was in the audience and competing as part of the show. A few funny snippets.

What was unfortunate is watching that show, then comparing it with my recollection of a three part essay Goldenjet(?) posted about the later stages of JB's life. Dude chose, or was led down, a pretty ugly path.


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The Doors performing the End in Toronto in '67 has to be in the top five. The song is like the scene in Willy Wonka when they take the ship through the tunnel, complete madness but a masterpiece at the same time. About half way through Robby Krieger's guitar goes out of tune, and Manzarek helps him get back into tune. The more I listen to the Doors, the more I appreciate how good John Densmore was on drums.

Some of the versions on Youtube are edited and don't have the complete song, but this one is in fairly decent quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoOFzU9tCRk&t=582s

This is a video of the surviving members talking about the performance. Mick Jagger was there that night, I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhvxAmOM7U


This song is a like a drunken spiel by a first year creative writing student.


Francis Ford didn't think so in Apocalypse Now. Ouch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntPHFVWDIqM

So much for JORR's music critiquing.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
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The Doors performing the End in Toronto in '67 has to be in the top five. The song is like the scene in Willy Wonka when they take the ship through the tunnel, complete madness but a masterpiece at the same time. About half way through Robby Krieger's guitar goes out of tune, and Manzarek helps him get back into tune. The more I listen to the Doors, the more I appreciate how good John Densmore was on drums.

Some of the versions on Youtube are edited and don't have the complete song, but this one is in fairly decent quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoOFzU9tCRk&t=582s

This is a video of the surviving members talking about the performance. Mick Jagger was there that night, I believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhvxAmOM7U


This song is a like a drunken spiel by a first year creative writing student.


Francis Ford didn't think so in Apocalypse Now. Ouch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntPHFVWDIqM

So much for JORR's music critiquing.


Hopper's crazy speech would be a better lyric than "The End".

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No particular order and I'm sure there are others that are better....just some that stand out for me...

1. Van Halen (Hagar 5150 tour) did a simulcast on MTV where Hagar spray painted some girls shoes on stage…in the middle of “Best Of Both Worlds” they teased “Addicted To Love”. Yes…the Dave years were better…let’s not get SomeGuy all triggered….still….this was pretty damn cool
2. Prince - 2002.10.26 - ONE NITE ALONE TOUR AFTERSHOW,CLUB VEGA, COPENHAGEN
3. Grateful Dead – 3/28/81 GrugaHalle Germany. I’m sure most DeadHeads will say there’s better. I’ve heard A LOT of dead shows and this one is my personal fav
4. Phish – 6/17/94 Milwaukee, WI….THIS one I was and still the best concert I’ve ever seen.
5. I always thought John Lennon showing up to play with Elton John in 1974 for 3 songs was a great moment.
6. Linkin Park and Jay-Z mash-up songs. I like both a little, but neither really my thing. I thought the combo worked really well.
7. Michael Jackson's solo spot on Motown 25

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No particular order and I'm sure there are others that are better....just some that stand out for me...

1. Van Halen (Hagar 5150 tour) did a simulcast on MTV where Hagar spray painted some girls shoes on stage…in the middle of “Best Of Both Worlds” they teased “Addicted To Love”. Yes…the Dave years were better…let’s not get SomeGuy all triggered….still….this was pretty damn cool
2. Prince - 2002.10.26 - ONE NITE ALONE TOUR AFTERSHOW,CLUB VEGA, COPENHAGEN
3. Grateful Dead – 3/28/81 GrugaHalle Germany. I’m sure most DeadHeads will say there’s better. I’ve heard A LOT of dead shows and this one is my personal fav
4. Phish – 6/17/94 Milwaukee, WI….THIS one I was and still the best concert I’ve ever seen.
5. I always thought John Lennon showing up to play with Elton John in 1974 for 3 songs was a great moment.
6. Linkin Park and Jay-Z mash-up songs. I like both a little, but neither really my thing. I thought the combo worked really well.
7. Michael Jackson's solo spot on Motown 25


Yeah Sammy was a showman for sure but in a completely different way the Dave. The two live releases they put out with him were great. The 5150 one you mentioned had a video not sure of the FUCK one. Anyway I saw Sammy solo prior to VH and he was always like that. The shame in my long story is they never put out an old properly produced Dave era video. There are the famous boots and other stuff (US festival, Oakland) around but to me it isn't the same as a real product.

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Exactly.
They were both amazing front men in different ways. Both were very good eras for Van Halen. There was definitely a unique magic with Dave, but no one can tell me if they had a band and were given a chance to have Sammy front the band, they wouldn't jump at it. Great singer, great performer. Wrote some great songs in and out of VH.

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wdelaney72 wrote:
Exactly.
They were both amazing front men in different ways. Both were very good eras for Van Halen. There was definitely a unique magic with Dave, but no one can tell me if they had a band and were given a chance to have Sammy front the band, they wouldn't jump at it. Great singer, great performer. Wrote some great songs in and out of VH.


Agree fully. Hard to believe Sammy is 70 now I think.

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It says live.

Any asshole can make a lip sync performance look good.

A better anthem from the same time frame is Wayne Messmer at the NHL All Star Game at the Stadium..
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Exactly.
They were both amazing front men in different ways. Both were very good eras for Van Halen. There was definitely a unique magic with Dave, but no one can tell me if they had a band and were given a chance to have Sammy front the band, they wouldn't jump at it. Great singer, great performer. Wrote some great songs in and out of VH.

I have always thought Hagar was better, and I know that is considered a terrible opinion by many. But I liked the Hagar VH era better. Hagar is clearly the better singer, and a pretty good performer as well.

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Exactly.
They were both amazing front men in different ways. Both were very good eras for Van Halen. There was definitely a unique magic with Dave, but no one can tell me if they had a band and were given a chance to have Sammy front the band, they wouldn't jump at it. Great singer, great performer. Wrote some great songs in and out of VH.

I have always thought Hagar was better, and I know that is considered a terrible opinion by many. But I liked the Hagar VH era better. Hagar is clearly the better singer, and a pretty good performer as well.


To me, Van Hagar had better front to back abums. Roth era had the bets hits, but some of the album filler was garbage.

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Exactly.
They were both amazing front men in different ways. Both were very good eras for Van Halen. There was definitely a unique magic with Dave, but no one can tell me if they had a band and were given a chance to have Sammy front the band, they wouldn't jump at it. Great singer, great performer. Wrote some great songs in and out of VH.

I have always thought Hagar was better, and I know that is considered a terrible opinion by many. But I liked the Hagar VH era better. Hagar is clearly the better singer, and a pretty good performer as well.


To me, Van Hagar had better front to back abums. Roth era had the bets hits, but some of the album filler was garbage.

that's fair and prob right.

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The ballads/anthems started with Sammy Hagar (unless you count "I'll Wait" or something like that.) The keyboard fetish ruined the band already on 1984. The ballads are absolutely unforgivable.

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The ballads/anthems started with Sammy Hagar (unless you count "I'll Wait" or something like that.) The keyboard fetish ruined the band already on 1984. The ballads are absolutely unforgivable.

A lot of that is on Eddie, especially the keyboard fetish.

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Ballad or not. Keyboards or not....When It's Love is a great song.

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Ballad or not. Keyboards or not....When It's Love is a great song.


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If you want to talk good Zeppelin, the best of Zeppelin live, it's Since I've Been Lovin You from "The Song Remains the Same" or the MSG 1973 show. Now that's inventive, brilliant guitar work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHRdRVTDdP0

Some people have mentioned Pink Floyd and I agree. But it's not Echoes at the Pompei or anything off the Wall. It's Brain Damage/Eclipse live at Earl's Court in '94. I love the tone of Gilmour's guitar. The song is perfection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z39KZAryzk


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Dignified Rube wrote:
If you want to talk good Zeppelin, the best of Zeppelin live, it's Since I've Been Lovin You from "The Song Remains the Same" or the MSG 1973 show. Now that's inventive, brilliant guitar work.

Congrats, this might be your first good thought ever.

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I don't know if this ranks among the greatest live performances, but these guys were extraordinary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUOhdgnJIi4

Ritchie Blackmore has to be a top 5 guitarist of all time. Cozy Powell was one heck of a drummer in his day. Even their bassist was super strong. Dio is in a category of his own for rock vocalists.


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I don't know if this ranks among the greatest live performances, but these guys were extraordinary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUOhdgnJIi4

Ritchie Blackmore has to be a top 5 guitarist of all time. Cozy Powell was one heck of a drummer in his day. Even their bassist was super strong. Dio is in a category of his own for rock vocalists.



Dio was pretty great in his odd trollish way but "Greensleeves" is too British and gay.

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Best live shows I've seen?

The Who when they first brought back Quadrophenia
The Who in 1981, my first time seeing them
The Kinks at the Auditorium Theatre
Little Feat at the Lisner Auditorium in '92, basically recreating "Waiting For Columbus", which was recorded originally at the Lisner in the 70's. One of the all time great live recordings.
ACDC at the Bradley Center, 8th row, tripping on homemade WV acid.

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