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Pretty sure we can stop at EVH.


Fixed it for you.

Sorry, I meant American born. He's Dutch, like Todd Gak.

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Pretty sure we can stop at EVH.


Fixed it for you.

Sorry, I meant American born. He's Dutch, like Todd Gak.


Dustin Hoffman in Star Wars?

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Hendrix, Steve Morse and John Frusciante would be my top 3.

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Of those still living:

Robert Randolph
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Jack White
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Bo Diddley
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Jimmy Page is the man.


Greatest American are Jimi Hendrix and Les Paul. 1A, 1B. Without them we would not have anything close to what we have today.

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71 yesterday.

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I have always said that Page was a horrible live performer - probably because he was usually wasted, but at the very least sloppy. I do, however, think he was one of the greats when it comes to composition and phrasing, not to mention using a ton of alternate tunings to get that certain timbre on many of their tunes (Kashmir is a great example).

The Clapton stuff I can kind of understand. I have seen him live a few times, and he is either good, or absolutely killer (nowadays at his age, a lot less killer). It was his overall olo studio output that is pretty bland, but when he played live back in the late '80s/early '90s, he would stretch out and actually burn.

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That Jeff Beck guy is pretty good.


The BEST of the "Big 3" British guitarists. Same age as Clapton but still brings it live.

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I think that Chet Atkins could be in the team photo.

Also, if any of you have never seen or heard Australia's Tommy Emmanuel, you NEED to.

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71 yesterday.

You really need to start counting all your strokes.

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71 yesterday.

You really need to starting counting all your strokes.

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The way the latter half of my 2014 golf season went, I would have had 71 on the 12th or 13th hole.

spany, I think you had 71 on the back 9 at Big Run over the summer. Brutal day all around.

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Furscainte was mentioned and he is a personal favorite of mine but I don't think he ranks high on many lists.

I have never heard Dimebag called overrated, his tone sucked but that boy could play. You may not be a fan of his style but damn that dude could play.


Page sloppy? Yeah he was so what. Zepplin ripped off most of their hits as it was but them boys made those songs sound so good. The dazed and confused which is a blatant rip off is soooooooooo much better than the original. Page isn't a technical wizard along the lines of Vai or Petrucci but damn he is one hell of a player.


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Dimebag could play....he was a fie guitarist in a band that put out 2 really great albums. His death was horribly said. But....like many others, death = overrated.

thank you for mentioning his tone....good Lord was it BAD.

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Like a lot of lists that Rolling Stone puts out there are probably some questionable choices included here but
thought I would add the link to their Top 100 guitarists from 2011.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... s-20111123

I always thought Stone Gossard from Pearl Jam plays a pretty damn good guitar.

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I figured this thread would inspire the "Zeppelin ripped off so and so" but "most" of their hits? They have sooo many recognizable songs. It's insane to think they borrowed riffs on that many songs...

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Like a lot of lists that Rolling Stone puts out there are probably some questionable choices included here but
thought I would add the link to their Top 100 guitarists from 2011.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... s-20111123

I always thought Stone Gossard from Pearl Jam plays a pretty damn good guitar.


The voters are all guitarists so it has to mean something. No Albert Lee though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrqWTQTInBs

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I figured this thread would inspire the "Zeppelin ripped off so and so" but "most" of their hits? They have sooo many recognizable songs. It's insane to think they borrowed riffs on that many songs...


http://time.com/3528555/led-zeppelin-lo ... n-lawsuit/

Stairway is a ripoff of a Spirit tune.

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Spirit should get on their knees and thank the gods that Zeppelin took their crappy folk song and turned it into a masterpiece, thereby providing Spirit with a moment of obscure relevance...

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"I Got A Line On You" is better than most Zeppelin songs.

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Just about every song on Zeppelin I and II is better than that song.

And I love that song, The Blend even does it up well.

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Spirit should get on their knees and thank the gods that Zeppelin took their crappy folk song and turned it into a masterpiece, thereby providing Spirit with a moment of obscure relevance...



It is still plagiarism though. They were still sued.

http://youtu.be/pTsvs-pAGDc

Zep killed this tune way more than the original hands down but it was still a theft. Trust me they killed it but they were naughty boys on some of their source material.


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These suits are funny. Stairway I can see but Harrison got jobbed on a suit against My Sweet Lord. Does a person have a case if it simply sounds alike or do they have to prove an actual theft? There are only so many riffs and harmonies when you think about it.

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These suits are funny. Stairway I can see but Harrison got jobbed on a suit against My Sweet Lord. Does a person have a case if it simply sounds alike or do they have to prove an actual theft? There are only so many riffs and harmonies when you think about it.



The chord pattern from "He's So Fine" was unique enough that it was pretty obvious that the nearly identical "My Sweet Lord" was plagiarized. I don't believe Harrison consciously "stole" the song though. It was just a pattern he had heard countless time in "He's So Fine" and he inadvertently used it in a "new" song.

Page and Plant, on the other hand, were brazen. They didn't even bother to change the title to "Dazed and Confused" and many of the lyrics are similar/the same. By the way, that original by Jake Holmes is fucking intense. They also gassed up many old blues songs and put their names on them.

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These suits are funny. Stairway I can see but Harrison got jobbed on a suit against My Sweet Lord. Does a person have a case if it simply sounds alike or do they have to prove an actual theft? There are only so many riffs and harmonies when you think about it.



The chord pattern from "He's So Fine" was unique enough that it was pretty obvious that the nearly identical "My Sweet Lord" was plagiarized. I don't believe Harrison consciously "stole" the song though. It was just a pattern he had heard countless time in "He's So Fine" and he inadvertently used it in a "new" song.

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"G-E-D" and "G-A-C-A-C are the chords sequences in question.

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These suits are funny. Stairway I can see but Harrison got jobbed on a suit against My Sweet Lord. Does a person have a case if it simply sounds alike or do they have to prove an actual theft? There are only so many riffs and harmonies when you think about it.



The chord pattern from "He's So Fine" was unique enough that it was pretty obvious that the nearly identical "My Sweet Lord" was plagiarized. I don't believe Harrison consciously "stole" the song though. It was just a pattern he had heard countless time in "He's So Fine" and he inadvertently used it in a "new" song.

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"G-E-D" and "G-A-C-A-C are the chords sequences in question.


Yeah. The Court's thought process in a little more detail:

"The Court noted that HSF incorporated two basic musical phrases, which were called "motif A" and "motif B". Motif A consisted of four repetitions of the notes "G-E-D" or "sol-mi- re"; B was "G-A-C-A-C" or "sol-la-do-la-do", and in the second use of motif B, a grace note was inserted after the second A, making the phrase "sol-la-do-la-re-do". The experts for each party agreed that this was a highly unusual pattern.

Harrison's own expert testified that although the individual motifs were common enough to be in the public domain, the combination here was so unique that he had never come across another piece of music that used this particular sequence, and certainly not one that inserted a grace note as described above.

Harrison's composition used the same motif A four times, which was then followed by motif B, but only three times, not four. Instead of a fourth repetition of motif B, there was a transitional phrase of the same approximate length. The original composition as performed by Billy Preston also contained the grace note after the second repetition of the line in motif B, but Harrison's version did not have this grace note.

Harrison's experts could not contest the basic findings of the Court, but did attempt to point out differences in the two songs. However, the judge found that while there may have been modest alterations to accommodate different words with a different number of syllables, the essential musical piece was not changed significantly. The experts also pointed out that Harrison's version of MSL omitted the grace note, but the judge ruled that this minor change did not change the genesis of the song as that which previously occurred in HSF."

http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm

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Looks like Tom Petty / Jeff Lynne got paid too. Anyone ever hear of this song?

Upon the release of Sam Smith’s “Stay With Me” in April 2014, a number of listeners were quick to note the distinct resemblance to Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers’ 1989 classic “I Won’t Back Down”. As it turns out, Petty’s lawyers also took notice, and the UK crooner has since agreed to pay songwriting royalties.

According to The Sun, Smith and Petty actually settled out of court back in October, but details only emerged just this weekend. The settlement reportedly included a 12.5% writing credit to both Petty and singer-composer Jeff Lynne (of ELO fame). The song’s credit on ASCAP — that’s the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers — now lists Smith, Petty, Lynne, and Jimmy Napes as the chief songwriters.



Said one source close to the case, “When Sam’s track was originally released, it was clear to a lot of musicians that there were notable similarities between the tracks,” referring specifically to melodies of the respective choruses. “After it was pointed out to Sam’s camp, they didn’t try to fight it and amicably dished out royalties. It wasn’t a deliberate thing, musicians are just inspired by other artists and Sam and his team were quick to hold up their hand when it was officially flagged.”

The source went on to note the case was “done behind closed doors without any mud being slung,” explaining that similar songwriting cases have turned ugly publicly.

Update: A rep for Smith confirms that Petty and Lynne are now listed as co-writers for “Stay With Me” and “acknowledges” its similarities to “I Won’t Back Down”. However, the rep contends that it’s all a “complete coincidence.”

“Recently the publishers for the song ‘I Won’t Back Down,’ written by Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne, contacted the publishers for ‘Stay With Me,’ written by Sam Smith, James Napier and William Phillips, about similarities heard in the melodies of the choruses of the two compositions. Not previously familiar with the 1989 Petty/Lynne song, the writers of ‘Stay With Me’ listened to ‘I Won’t Back Down’ and acknowledged the similarity.

“Although the likeness was a complete coincidence, all involved came to an immediate and amicable agreement in which Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne are now credited as co-writers of ‘Stay With Me’ along with Sam Smith, James Napier and William Phillips.”

“Stay With Me” has sold nearly four million copies worldwide, making it one of the most successful singles of 2014. It’s also up for both Best Pop Performance and Record of the Year at the 2015 Grammy Awards.


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Looks like Tom Petty / Jeff Lynne got paid too. Anyone ever hear of this song?

Not a big 101.9/Mix listener, BR? :lol:

The melody was so familiar to me the first time I heard it, but I'll be damn if I could place it. I'm an idiot drummer, so out-of-place melodies and lyrics are really tough for me to identify.

Zeppelin ripped off the Beatles too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfoccRna6I

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