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It's laughable, this Beatles are overrated shit. Lennon/McCartney tower over their contemporary songwriting teams. Sure they wrote some bubblegum pop...but they had serious songwriting chops and produced more great music in a relatively miniscule period of time than anybody.

The Beatles are still a huge influence and they haven't been a band for 50 years. They transcended multiple genres. There music is gorgeous set to an orchestra.

Goffin/King and the rest are fucking great...but they're no Lennon/McCartney. They stand with the greatest songwriters of the 20th Century...at least.

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Am I the only guy that thinks the Beatles are boring as fuck?
Maybe there were a couple good psychedelic songs but Kenny Rodgers did that too and his wasn't a Mish mash of mumbo jumbo and weirdo sitar.

You mean Kenny Loggins ?

No. Kenny Rogers.

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It's laughable, this Beatles are overrated shit. Lennon/McCartney tower over their contemporary songwriting teams. Sure they wrote some bubblegum pop...but they had serious songwriting chops and produced more great music in a relatively miniscule period of time than anybody.

The Beatles are still a huge influence and they haven't been a band for 50 years. They transcended multiple genres. There music is gorgeous set to an orchestra.

Goffin/King and the rest are fucking great...but they're no Lennon/McCartney. They stand with the greatest songwriters of the 20th Century...at least.

Take it easy. It's only the Beatles. It's not like they are the eggmen.

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Darkside wrote:
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Am I the only guy that thinks the Beatles are boring as fuck?
Maybe there were a couple good psychedelic songs but Kenny Rodgers did that too and his wasn't a Mish mash of mumbo jumbo and weirdo sitar.

You mean Kenny Loggins ?

No. Kenny Rogers.



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Their first albums were “sell-outs.” They they did whatever the fuck they wanted. That’s why I don’t get dissing them for the I Wanna Hold Your Hand days. Even then, John’s screaming on Twist and Shout among other things, was amazing.


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GoldenJet wrote:
It's laughable, this Beatles are overrated shit. Lennon/McCartney tower over their contemporary songwriting teams. Sure they wrote some bubblegum pop...but they had serious songwriting chops and produced more great music in a relatively miniscule period of time than anybody.

The Beatles are still a huge influence and they haven't been a band for 50 years. They transcended multiple genres. There music is gorgeous set to an orchestra.

Goffin/King and the rest are fucking great...but they're no Lennon/McCartney. They stand with the greatest songwriters of the 20th Century...at least.



Are you really sure about all of that or have you just been beaten over the head with it so much that you've accepted it as gospel?

I'm pretty sure Lennon and McCartney don't tower over Brian Wilson. Are the Beatles really better or even more influential than the Byrds?

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The Beach Boys never made a song I ever wanted to hear again.

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The Beach Boys never made a song I ever wanted to hear again.

Awful.


But the Beach Boys made the Beatles Jealous with Animal Sounds


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GoldenJet wrote:
It's laughable, this Beatles are overrated shit. Lennon/McCartney tower over their contemporary songwriting teams. Sure they wrote some bubblegum pop...but they had serious songwriting chops and produced more great music in a relatively miniscule period of time than anybody.

The Beatles are still a huge influence and they haven't been a band for 50 years. They transcended multiple genres. There music is gorgeous set to an orchestra.

Goffin/King and the rest are fucking great...but they're no Lennon/McCartney. They stand with the greatest songwriters of the 20th Century...at least.



Are you really sure about all of that or have you just been beaten over the head with it so much that you've accepted it as gospel?

I'm pretty sure Lennon and McCartney don't tower over Brian Wilson. Are the Beatles really better or even more influential than the Byrds?


yup yup yup yup yup

Lot of peer pressure to like the beatles. like it was forced upon so many. like if you didnt recognize their genius you were an idiot. fuck that.

and i think also a lot of their popularity has to do w/ conditioning. their songs in the past even after they broke up were played in elevators and everywhere where people were conditioned to like them without consciously knowing what was going on.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Beach Boys never made a song I ever wanted to hear again.

Awful.


But the Beach Boys made the Beatles Jealous with Animal Sounds

Pet Sounds?

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Nowhere Man is underrated.

In my top 5-10 Beatles songs.

Supposedly inspired by Notes from Underground.

While I am at it...

Favorite Beatles lyrics, and probably the best lyrics (in the shorter category) I have heard would have to be "Eleanor Rigby."

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I agree with Rick Beato that Phil Spector ruined the album with his schmaltzy strings, especially on Long and Winding Road. If you listen to the version on "Let It Be - Naked" on Spotify (or even the demo version in Episode 1!), it is far superior.

I think he (accurately) calls it the Wall of Schmaltz

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I'm the furthest thing from a Beatles nut, but certainly appreciate their place in music history and acknowledge their greatness.


Yeah, that's where I am with them. I guess what bugs me is the prevailing Boomer opinion that they are the "G.O.A.T." and to even question such is absurd. It's sort of like challenging Jordan being the "G.O.A.T." in Chicago.

Are Lennon and McCartney really better pop songwriters than Goffin-King or Bacharach-David? I don't think so. And the Beatles covered a bunch of Larry Williams songs. Did Larry ever cover the Beatles?

Man get the fuck out of here with this narrative that MJ being the GOAT is Chicago centric. Its a universally accepted fact among NBA fans over the age of 30 nation wide.

And yeah the Beatles are fucking great too. The hype is for a reason

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Am I the only guy that thinks the Beatles are boring as fuck?
Maybe there were a couple good psychedelic songs but Kenny Rodgers did that too and his wasn't a Mish mash of mumbo jumbo and weirdo sitar.

You mean Kenny Loggins ?

No. Kenny Rogers.

:lol: :lol:

This is a tremendous exchange

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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

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Am I the only guy that thinks the Beatles are boring as fuck?
Maybe there were a couple good psychedelic songs but Kenny Rodgers did that too and his wasn't a Mish mash of mumbo jumbo and weirdo sitar.

You mean Kenny Loggins ?

No. Kenny Rogers.

:lol: :lol:

This is a tremendous exchange

For the record... Playing with the Boys is the gayest song played over the gayest scene in American cinema outside of gay porn.

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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

Man I love the stones. The Beatles are like Mom Rock to me.

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Darkside wrote:
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Darkside wrote:
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Am I the only guy that thinks the Beatles are boring as fuck?
Maybe there were a couple good psychedelic songs but Kenny Rodgers did that too and his wasn't a Mish mash of mumbo jumbo and weirdo sitar.

You mean Kenny Loggins ?

No. Kenny Rogers.

:lol: :lol:

This is a tremendous exchange

For the record... Playing with the Boys is the gayest song played over the gayest scene in American cinema outside of gay porn.

I had to google it to get the reference and this seems like a fair take

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For the record... Playing with the Boys is the gayest song played over the gayest scene in American cinema outside of gay porn.

I had to google it to get the reference and this seems like a fair take

If were you mate I'd scrub your search history.

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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

Man I love the stones. The Beatles are like Mom Rock to me.

I really like the Beatles. Cant say I love them cuz half their catalogue kinda sucks.

I have zero use for the Stones. A few cool songs but imo they are unquestionably the most overrated band of all time

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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

Man I love the stones. The Beatles are like Mom Rock to me.

I really like the Beatles. Cant say I love them cuz half their catalogue kinda sucks.

I have zero use for the Stones. A few cool songs but imo they are unquestionably the most overrated band of all time

Man I wish I could have seen the stones before mick got embalmed.

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Darkside wrote:
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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

Man I love the stones. The Beatles are like Mom Rock to me.

I really like the Beatles. Cant say I love them cuz half their catalogue kinda sucks.

I have zero use for the Stones. A few cool songs but imo they are unquestionably the most overrated band of all time

Man I wish I could have seen the stones before mick got embalmed.

Consider Jerry. I could not agree more with that sentiment

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Darkside wrote:
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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

Man I love the stones. The Beatles are like Mom Rock to me.


This guy gets it! :thumleft:


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The Beach Boys never made a song I ever wanted to hear again.

Awful.


I like 3 or so.

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In a world without the beatles...

Music would be pretty much the same and everyone would say the Rolling Stones were the most influential band of all time.

Im not a musician. You are (were?). I dont have an opinion on most influential but id much rather listen to the beatles best songs than the stones. Neither would be in my top 5 though

Man I love the stones. The Beatles are like Mom Rock to me.

I really like the Beatles. Cant say I love them cuz half their catalogue kinda sucks.

I have zero use for the Stones. A few cool songs but imo they are unquestionably the most overrated band of all time

Man I wish I could have seen the stones before mick got embalmed.


Saw em in 95, I was a junior in HS..they were washed up.

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I'm the furthest thing from a Beatles nut, but certainly appreciate their place in music history and acknowledge their greatness.


Yeah, that's where I am with them. I guess what bugs me is the prevailing Boomer opinion that they are the "G.O.A.T." and to even question such is absurd. It's sort of like challenging Jordan being the "G.O.A.T." in Chicago.

Are Lennon and McCartney really better pop songwriters than Goffin-King or Bacharach-David? I don't think so. And the Beatles covered a bunch of Larry Williams songs. Did Larry ever cover the Beatles?

Man get the fuck out of here with this narrative that MJ being the GOAT is Chicago centric. Its a universally accepted fact among NBA fans over the age of 30 nation wide.

And yeah the Beatles are fucking great too. The hype is for a reason


:lol: It's not though. Even Jordan's own teammates don't subscribe to it.

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The Beach Boys never made a song I ever wanted to hear again.

Awful.


Come on. There's not a single Beatles song that measures up to this:

https://youtu.be/CWPo5SC3zik

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The Beach Boys never made a song I ever wanted to hear again.

Awful.

I learned recently that they’re revered in the UK. I made a joke about The Beach Boys being terrible to a British friend and he proceeded to lecture me on Brian Wilson’s greatness.

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