Im not saying Chicago has produced a ton of great hip hop

Actually pretty bad in that regard compared to LA and NY

I know. I'm saying I wouldn't find it hard to believe you would stack Kanye as one of the best in the genre or Doug doesn't have Billy's big round coconut carved onto his Rock Mount Rushmore.

Unless you're Doug with SP or maybe RPB with Kanye, seriously furthering the notion that Chicago can lay claim to many top tier artists in Rock (classic, hard, alternative, whatever) or Hip Hop is disingenuous homerism. What Chicago has produced is some of the best Soul (I hesitate to include this contribution under the whole R&B umbrella,) House, and Industrial Music. Some Blues, I guess, but Blues is so subgenred out that this feels less than empirical, too. It's like saying we produce the best hot dog incorporating relish and celery salt.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Why did Chicago fail to develop top-tier rock bands other than Wilco? Why didn't we have a Plan?

I see.

You think people are cooking the books in favor of Chicago


Like the guy arguing that Stabbing Westward is better than NIN and Fall Out Boy > The Ramones

Who made those above claims?

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Can Chicago claim the Revolting Cocks? Beers, Steers, and Queers is a fun album. All-time great band name, too.

Who made those above claims?

Totally forgot about Ray Manzarek

I'd like to forget him. The Doors were truly dreadful. I wish I could take a sledgehammer to that organ. Everything about the Doors sucks. The pseudo-literary pretensions, the twee cocktail jazz arrangements. And that drunken buffoon howling off-key. It's just, just terrible. But Manzarek did record that X record. So at least he has that going for him.

I have always felt that The Arrivals are a criminally underrated band.

I'd like to forget him. The Doors were truly dreadful. I wish I could take a sledgehammer to that organ. Everything about the Doors sucks. The pseudo-literary pretensions, the twee cocktail jazz arrangements. And that drunken buffoon howling off-key. It's just, just terrible. But Manzarek did record that X record. So at least he has that going for him.

I have always felt that The Arrivals are a criminally underrated band.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

I saw them a few times over the years opening for various bands in Chicago. Was never a fan, but they were always enjoyable.

Totally forgot about Ray Manzarek

I'd like to forget him. The Doors were truly dreadful. I wish I could take a sledgehammer to that organ. Everything about the Doors sucks. The pseudo-literary pretensions, the twee cocktail jazz arrangements. And that drunken buffoon howling off-key. It's just, just terrible. But Manzarek did record that X record. So at least he has that going for him.