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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Chicago |
Am I really the only person that thinks they're really not that good? |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Their first 2 albums are amazing. Like many bands, there was a dropoff and then a musical direction change that is plenty worthy of ciriticism, ut those first 2 albums kick all sorts of ass. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
There is a good Netflix special, Now More Than Ever, that chronicles the history of Chicago, and I thought it was pretty interesting to see the fight between the horn section/Kath guitar-driven songs, and the Peter Cetera ballads (which later saved the band from extinction). |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
I think the were very very good. They got too soft just before Cetera left for sure. But man when they rocked with the horns. Yes. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Talented musicians, obviously, but their music sucks 1970's hairy balls. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Am I really the only person that thinks they're really not that good? I've always maintained that they suck. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Am I really the only person that thinks they're really not that good? Yeah you are . Fucking weirdo. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
I actually think the early stuff is great. You can keep Peter Cetera. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Jaw Breaker wrote: There is a good Netflix special, Now More Than Ever, that chronicles the history of Chicago, and I thought it was pretty interesting to see the fight between the horn section/Kath guitar-driven songs, and the Peter Cetera ballads (which later saved the band from extinction). I watched it, good doc for sure. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: I actually think the early stuff is great. You can keep Peter Cetera. I think it’s acknowledged the band pretty much ended when Kath died. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
GoldenJet wrote: Talented musicians, obviously, but their music sucks 1970's hairy balls. That's just it. I don't deny their talent, but their music sucks. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
sjboyd0137 wrote: GoldenJet wrote: Talented musicians, obviously, but their music sucks 1970's hairy balls. That's just it. I don't deny their talent, but their music sucks. Yeah but we’re not talking about Radiohead . |
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| Author: | Telegram Sam [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
They were always referred to as Fusion or Jazz Fusion. More specifically, they are a fusion of Rock and Traditional Jazz. The distinction is important, they do not incorporate any Modern Jazz elements. It's rock with a horn section that plays sheet music. They are super tight, they really do shred on some songs. But they are not experimental or improvisational or funky at all. They are a Hard Swing band that doesn't swing all that much. Take an analogous popular band from the same era, with a horn section and multiple genre influences - Sly and the Family Stone - and I would take the latter ten times out of ten. I think Chicago could have benefited from a producer deconstructing some of those songs and putting them back together a couple different ways. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Hate them. Always have. Of course I have only listened to the stuff you used to hear on the radio before all the old people died off. It is possible that all the stuff the radio didn't play is amazing, so I'll reserve judgement on that. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
First two albums are classics, then it's pretty much all crap from there. "Street Player" is a guilty pleasure, though. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Curious Hair wrote: "Street Player" is a guilty pleasure, though. Yes....for sure! |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Kath dying changed everything, but they were headed down a bad road. Getting rid of Danny Seraphine was the last straw, but he'd kinda been ignored for years anyway. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
City of Fools wrote: Kath dying changed everything, but they were headed down a bad road. Getting rid of Danny Seraphine was the last straw, but he'd kinda been ignored for years anyway. According to the documentary, Jimi Hendrix said Kath was better than him. That was probably just false modesty though. I didn't understand the Danny Seraphine firing. I thought his drumming was pretty inventive, but they made it sound like he couldn't even keep a beat, at least in the later years. Imagine how disheartening it must have been for him to show up to the studio and see Jeff Porcaro sitting on the throne. The band really had a good time in the early years. Their manager (who took 51% of the profits and left 7% for each of the 7 band members) kept them so full of hookers and blow, they didn't realize how much he was fucking them. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Jaw Breaker wrote: City of Fools wrote: Kath dying changed everything, but they were headed down a bad road. Getting rid of Danny Seraphine was the last straw, but he'd kinda been ignored for years anyway. According to the documentary, Jimi Hendrix said Kath was better than him. That was probably just false modesty though. I didn't understand the Danny Seraphine firing. I thought his drumming was pretty inventive, but they made it sound like he couldn't even keep a beat, at least in the later years. Imagine how disheartening it must have been for him to show up to the studio and see Jeff Porcaro sitting on the throne. The band really had a good time in the early years. Their manager (who took 51% of the profits and left 7% for each of the 7 band members) kept them so full of hookers and blow, they didn't realize how much he was fucking them. And oddly enough if I remember it from the doc correctly , it was Seraphine that told them they need to be paying more attention to the business part , that Guercio was fucking them royally . |
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| Author: | shirtless driver [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
"Old Days" is my jawn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTB3Iq4Kfhg |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Didn't Seraphine own B'Ginnings? Who her is old enough to have gone there? Seacrest maybe. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Didn't Seraphine own B'Ginnings? Who her is old enough to have gone there? Seacrest maybe. Yeah he did . Not sure when it closed but we might’ve been old enough as well I’m guessing . |
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| Author: | Telegram Sam [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Where was it? |
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| Author: | Rod [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Telegram Sam wrote: Where was it? I think it was on Golf near Meacham Road. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Telegram Sam wrote: Where was it? I think it was on Golf near Meacham Road. THE MECCA !! |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
Yeah they gave Seraphine some shit about not being able to play to a click. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
pittmike wrote: Yeah they gave Seraphine some shit about not being able to play to a click. that's what I got out of the doc as well. Funny though, their 80's and on power ballad years.....there's no reason he should not have been able to work at getting to play to a click. The early stuff....that's a different story. I'm sure there was more to it that we'll never know. The doc was good, but it was hardly what I'd consider "complete". I'm sure there's much to be told. The Hendrix comment about Kath was legit....Hendrix loved him. that's been out there long before the documentary. Kath was pretty fucking awesome. |
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| Author: | Furious Styles [ Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
BigW72 wrote: pittmike wrote: Yeah they gave Seraphine some shit about not being able to play to a click. that's what I got out of the doc as well. Funny though, their 80's and on power ballad years.....there's no reason he should not have been able to work at getting to play to a click. The early stuff....that's a different story. I'm sure there was more to it that we'll never know. The doc was good, but it was hardly what I'd consider "complete". I'm sure there's much to be told. The Hendrix comment about Kath was legit....Hendrix loved him. that's been out there long before the documentary. Kath was pretty fucking awesome. Steve Smith and Ross Valory were dismissed from Journey in the '80s for the same reason. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
What did you think of Seraphines playing in general Furious ? I thought he was pretty inventive with some interesting fills .Didn’t seem to be just a straight backbeat player |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Chicago |
badrogue17 wrote: What did you think of Seraphines playing in general Furious ? I thought he was pretty inventive with some interesting fills .Didn’t seem to be just a straight backbeat player That was Seraphine's own very argument....but their actual music was pretty straight forward. Playing with a click takes some work....but it can be done. It does take some humility and discipline, but there is zero reason he couldn't do it. |
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