Chicago Fanatics Message Board
https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/

The Marshall Mathers LP 2
https://mail.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82930
Page 1 of 2

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:48 am ]
Post subject:  The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Gonna DL'd it later today.

I like the few tracks Ive heard


Professional ratings
Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 78/100[70]
Review scores
Source Rating
A.V. Club B[71]
New York Daily News 4/5 stars[72]
HipHopDX 4/5 stars[73]
Los Angeles Times 3/4 stars[74]
Rolling Stone 4/5 stars[75]
Slant Magazine 3/5 stars [76]
Spin 8/10[77]
Toronto Sun 4/4 stars[78]
USA Today 3.5/4 stars[79]
XXL 4/5 (XL)[80]






Check out our track-by-track review of Eminem's eighth studio album, "The Marshall Mathers LP 2," executive produced by Dr. Dre and Rick Rubin.

1."Bad Guy"
Eminem introduces “The Marshall Mathers LP 2” by bringing his dark side to light and calling out his transgression through the voice of Stan’s vengeful brother, Matthew Mitchell. One of the best songs on the album for its shifting storytelling, Eminem comes face-to-face with his worst enemy by playing off the narration of "Stan." "Grab for some water but I’m that pill that’s too jagged to swallow/ I’m the bullies you hate that you became/ With every f----t you slaughtered/ Coming back on you every woman you insult there/ With the double-standards you have when it comes to your daughters,” Eminem raps on the outro.

2. "Parking Lot (Skit)"
The animated skit may sound familiar to loyal fans. "Parking Lot" continues the robbery we first heard in "MMLP's" "Criminal."

3. "Rhyme Or Reason"
On "Rhyme Or Reason," which samples The Zombies' "Time of Season," Eminem's target is his dad. He examines the side-effects to the disappearance of his father both comically yet sincere, altering his tone and channeling Yoda: "So yeah dad, let's walk/ Let's have us a father and son talk/ But I bet we wouldn't probably get one block without me knocking your block off/This is all your fault/ Maybe that's why I'm so bananas… I related to the struggles of young Americans when their fuckin' parents were unaware of their troubles."

4. "So Much Better"
Em' has never been one to lock down (healthy) love, which he's been brutally honest about since "Kim." A broken heart leads Em to wishful thinking that his former lover, who he claims cheated on him with Dr. Dre, Drake and Lupe Fiasco, would "drop dead."

5. "Survival"


"Man, will I survive in this climate or what? They said I was washed up and got a blood bath/ I'm not a rapper; I'm an adapter/ I can adjust/ Plus I can just walk up to a mic and just bust," he raps on "Survival." Eminem is fully aware of the rap climate and competition, but still admits that, even when he's not prepared, he'll survive and strive because of his rap skills.

6. "Legacy"
Em' sheds some insight into how he came to be how he is (reclusive, introverted), in a childhood story led by the trickling of piano keys who are soon paired with rain drops.

7. "Asshole"
In true Eminem fashion, he proudly steps into shoes that fit and makes listeners aware that he's aware of his self-destructive self, but disturbingly feeds off it. "The only women that I love are my daughters/ But sometimes I rhyme and it sounds as if I forgot I'm a father/ And I push it farther/ So father, forgive me if I forget to draw the line/ It's apparent, I shouldn't have been a parent/ I'll never grow up so the hell to your parents."

8. " Berzerk"


Em' pays homage to old school hip-hop his own way on the guitar-driven "Berzerk." Sampling Billy Squier's "The Stroke,""Berzerk" is one of the weakest songs on the album, for Eminem seems to try too hard (vinyl scratching) and raps dated cultural references.

9. "Rap God"


This six-minute, chorus-less song features Em' spitting rapid rhymes on reigning rap, which is an underlying theme of "Marshall Mathers LP 2."

10. "Brainless"
Em' revisits the haunting memories of being bullied in school and fast-forwards to now, where he is one of rap's most influential personas. Hypocritically, yet dismally predictable, Em' continues to spew gay slurs after rhymes of being harassed himself: "Inappropriate so be it, I don't see it/ Maybe one day when the smoke clears it won't be as mother fuckin' difficult, yeah/ To then hopefully you lil' homos get over your fears and grow beards/ It's okay to be scared straight/ They said I provoke queers till their emotions evoke tears/ My whole career is a stroke of sheer genius/ Smoking mirrors, tactical jokes, yeah, you mother fuckin' 'insert themselves here.'"

11. "Stronger Than I Was"
Eminem channels a whimsical, emotionally driven Kid Cudi, when he rap-sings of a traumatizing heartbreak on one of the album's most honest songs. The beat is reminiscent to "Curtain Call's" "Like Toy Soldiers," coincidentally another one of Eminem's most heartfelt songs.

12. "The Monster"


The rapper recruits Rihanna for their fourth collaboration to speak on the woes of living under the steaming spotlight. Eminem raps about his haunting "Monster," while Rihanna flexes her vocal skills on the hook and embraces hers: "I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed/ Get along with the voices inside of my head."

13. "So Far"
The amusing Eminem returns to spit rhymes of his hometown and make fun of his immaturity over a beat that samples Joe Walsh's 1978 solo hit, "Life's Been Good." "So Far" pulls from the "The Marshall Mathers LP's" "The Real Slim Shady," as the beat pops up and Em reworks a classic line ("And every single person is a Slim Shady lurking/ He could be working at Burger King, spitting on your onion rings") to fit the present ("Went to Burger King, they spit on my onion rings/ I think my karma is catching up with me").

14. "Love Game" feat. Kendrick Lamar
Over a sample of Wayne Fontana & the Mindbenders' 1965 "Game of Love," Em continues the light-hearted delivery by venting jokingly on the roller-coaster ride that is love. Em brings out the comical side to Kendrick Lamar, which many aren't used to hearing.

15. "Headlights" feat. fun.'s Nate Ruess
Eminem's tumultuous "tangled web" of a relationship with his mother, Debbie Mathers, has been prominent in his discography. Em takes a huge step forward by apologizing to his mother on "Headlights" for disregarding the unforeseen hurt that his verses my have caused, specifically pointing out his "The Eminem Show" classic, "Cleanin' Out My Closet." With Nate Ruess from fun. on the hook, Em continues to admit that the absence of his dad, which he thought would bring him closer, tore them apart.

16. "Evil Twin"
Eminem closes the album strong as he proclaims his rap dominance and embraces the villainous side he introduced on day one of his 15-year-plus career.

Author:  Bagels [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

rogers park bryan wrote:
Gonna DL'd it later today.

I like the few tracks Ive heard


Professional ratings
Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 78/100[70]
Review scores
Source Rating
A.V. Club B[71]
New York Daily News 4/5 stars[72]
HipHopDX 4/5 stars[73]
Los Angeles Times 3/4 stars[74]
Rolling Stone 4/5 stars[75]
Slant Magazine 3/5 stars [76]
Spin 8/10[77]
Toronto Sun 4/4 stars[78]
USA Today 3.5/4 stars[79]
XXL 4/5 (XL)[80]


gonna need to see what Pitchfork has to say before I form my opinion

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Gonna DL'd it later today.

I like the few tracks Ive heard


Professional ratings
Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 78/100[70]
Review scores
Source Rating
A.V. Club B[71]
New York Daily News 4/5 stars[72]
HipHopDX 4/5 stars[73]
Los Angeles Times 3/4 stars[74]
Rolling Stone 4/5 stars[75]
Slant Magazine 3/5 stars [76]
Spin 8/10[77]
Toronto Sun 4/4 stars[78]
USA Today 3.5/4 stars[79]
XXL 4/5 (XL)[80]


gonna need to see what Pitchfork has to say before I form my opinion


Are you related to a Buckeyes fan?

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

I don't think I could go any less than an 8.5 out of 10. He appears to be interested in this album. Over the past 7 years or so that hasn't always been true.

Author:  Brick [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

It's great. It surpasses Macklemore on the white guy rapper album of the year list.

Author:  bigfan [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's great. It surpasses Macklemore on the white guy rapper album of the year list.

he will always be the All time white rapper. Of course the Beasties may have inspired him, but this kid looked like a fool for years trying to do this by himself. Videos of him rapping in basements at Birthday parties for $50 . Sure he looks like the bastard child of Nilla Ice in those vids, but the guy still did it by himself, it wasnt like Beiber, someone found him and formed everything he has done since age 8! Yes, Dre took him to all time heights, but he still laid the groundwork himself.

D12

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

At this point I am not sure how anyone can say he isn't a top 3 rapper of all time. I would put him top 2 but he's been more than a white rapper for a long time.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

He is one of about 5 or 6 guys where you can make a case for GOAT

Author:  doug - evergreen park [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

he'd never be #1 or #2, but I think a solid #3 or #4.

Author:  schmitty1121 [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Album is pretty solid. I could to without some of the goofy voices, but that's what he does. He always seems to enjoy screaming and yelling in most of his songs now. I would say Em is top 5, probably 5th. I think Biggie, 'Pac, Jay-Z, and Nas, would be ahead of him.

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

doug - evergreen park wrote:
he'd never be #1 or #2, but I think a solid #3 or #4.


Why not?

Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

a perfunctory listen had me kind of feeling bad for the guy, who is trying real hard to bring back the late 90s and have some of that edge. a lot of self-referential stuff and a whole bunch of pop culture references and a few novel tracks (greatest rapper in the world?) juxtaposed against his shouty style (which covers up his nasal voice sufficiently)

one thing i can attest to is that eminem transcended white-rapperdom "in the community" --- seriously, he gets a lot of respect from balck people because the dude can rap. and i reckon it's a bit of an existential crisis here as he TRIED really hard. i'll toss the LP on my phone and listen to it a few more times b4 i tell you lot what it really is.

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

sinicalypse wrote:
a perfunctory listen had me kind of feeling bad for the guy, who is trying real hard to bring back the late 90s and have some of that edge. a lot of self-referential stuff and a whole bunch of pop culture references and a few novel tracks (greatest rapper in the world?) juxtaposed against his shouty style (which covers up his nasal voice sufficiently)

one thing i can attest to is that eminem transcended white-rapperdom "in the community" --- seriously, he gets a lot of respect from balck people because the dude can rap. and i reckon it's a bit of an existential crisis here as he TRIED really hard. i'll toss the LP on my phone and listen to it a few more times b4 i tell you lot what it really is.


I read this entire post.

Author:  Darkside [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

every single Marshall Mathers song ever wrote:
I hate my mommy and my ex!

Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

btw eminem aint the only white rapper getting shine lately.... hell, he aint the only white rapper who hasn't won scribble jam either!

http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives ... om-bennett

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Darkside wrote:
every single Marshall Mathers song ever wrote:
I hate my mommy and my ex!

Well you should listen to the first track. It's over 7 mins long.

Author:  Darkside [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
every single Marshall Mathers song ever wrote:
I hate my mommy and my ex!

Well you should listen to the first track. It's over 7 mins long.

Nah. I'm good.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

oh and this is the tumblr that the show would be based off of. good read

http://textsfrombennett.tumblr.com/

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
every single Marshall Mathers song ever wrote:
I hate my mommy and my ex!

Well you should listen to the first track. It's over 7 mins long.

Nah. I'm good.


You're missing a great opportunity to hear him talk about how he loves his mother and how wrong he was for some of his songs.

Author:  Eaglo Jeff [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Darkside wrote:
every single Marshall Mathers song ever wrote:
I hate my mommy and my ex!

A shiny happy Slim Shady song would be Jumping the Shark, Mr. Roboto style.

Author:  Darkside [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Nas wrote:
You're missing a great opportunity to hear him talk about how he loves his mother and how wrong he was for some of his songs.

So I should expect him to give the money back and refuse royalties when they play those wrong songs?

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
You're missing a great opportunity to hear him talk about how he loves his mother and how wrong he was for some of his songs.

So I should expect him to give the money back and refuse royalties when they play those wrong songs?


Why should he?

Author:  Darkside [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
You're missing a great opportunity to hear him talk about how he loves his mother and how wrong he was for some of his songs.

So I should expect him to give the money back and refuse royalties when they play those wrong songs?


Why should he?

Well if he feels how wrong he was for those songs I imagine its wrong to collect money for playing them...or give the money to charity or something unless he really doesn't feel they're wrong...

Author:  Nas [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
Darkside wrote:
Nas wrote:
You're missing a great opportunity to hear him talk about how he loves his mother and how wrong he was for some of his songs.

So I should expect him to give the money back and refuse royalties when they play those wrong songs?


Why should he?

Well if he feels how wrong he was for those songs I imagine its wrong to collect money for playing them...or give the money to charity or something unless he really doesn't feel they're wrong...


I'm sure he gives money to charity but being wrong and stupid aren't the same thing. Cleaning out my closet is a classic.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

That Boy Good

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Love it

Kendrick murders "Love Game" (Also a WeeBey from The Wire reference )


All the goofness works between the usual sick flow

Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

For better or worse, referencing that stuff re: apologizing about mom and whatnot.... em's definitely TRYING with this LP. he's not on the autopilot that he's been on since the original MMLP (save those 2-3 cuts from the em show, the one about his daughter where after a long singly intro he just str8up rapped for a verse, and of course "I think my dad's gone crazy" on top of a flagrantly classic dre beat) and it clearly shows here.

I think the softer side of marshall mathers is a contrived move to try and win (back) some of the >MUH FEELINGS generation, not to mention i seem to remember a track where he seemed to have a mea culpa about saying the f-word to/about homosexuals. Combine that with his uber-referencing "rap god" song (that features him doing some bonafide verbal gymnastics!) and yeah.... the first thought i got jumping around this LP is that he's really trying to do *something*.... in terms of what he's trying to do, like i said i'll toss it on the phone and give it a few listens whilst pubtransing it up and see what i can come up with.

Author:  Bagels [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Gonna DL'd it later today.

I like the few tracks Ive heard


Professional ratings
Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 78/100[70]
Review scores
Source Rating
A.V. Club B[71]
New York Daily News 4/5 stars[72]
HipHopDX 4/5 stars[73]
Los Angeles Times 3/4 stars[74]
Rolling Stone 4/5 stars[75]
Slant Magazine 3/5 stars [76]
Spin 8/10[77]
Toronto Sun 4/4 stars[78]
USA Today 3.5/4 stars[79]
XXL 4/5 (XL)[80]


gonna need to see what Pitchfork has to say before I form my opinion


Pitchfork gave it a 4.7 :lol:

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

Bagels wrote:
Bagels wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Gonna DL'd it later today.

I like the few tracks Ive heard


Professional ratings
Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 78/100[70]
Review scores
Source Rating
A.V. Club B[71]
New York Daily News 4/5 stars[72]
HipHopDX 4/5 stars[73]
Los Angeles Times 3/4 stars[74]
Rolling Stone 4/5 stars[75]
Slant Magazine 3/5 stars [76]
Spin 8/10[77]
Toronto Sun 4/4 stars[78]
USA Today 3.5/4 stars[79]
XXL 4/5 (XL)[80]


gonna need to see what Pitchfork has to say before I form my opinion


Pitchfork gave it a 4.7 :lol:

On September 10, 2007, the satirical newspaper The Onion published a story in which Pitchfork Media editor Ryan Schreiber reviews music as a whole, giving it a 6.8 out of 10.[18]

Author:  SirTinkleButton [ Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Marshall Mathers LP 2

@mollylambert: Eminem sucks so badly it's embarrassing

Posted that in the Grantland section, but i hope she is just trolling. If not then its safe to say she sucks so badly its embarrassing.

Page 1 of 2 All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
https://www.phpbb.com/