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First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same.

The music itself...decent. Maybe not amazing, but I could listen to it. But the vocals and lyrics...good God.

I can kind of concede that he was a genius from a compositional standpoint, I just have a hard time that any non-wank musician type actually enjoys listening to his music.

Scorehead, which era of Zappa is your favorite? Never had you pegged as a Zappa guy.

I'm partial to the second, advanced phase of the original Mothers, after We're Only in It for the Money but before Flo and Eddie. Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats (though that one's just FZ and Underwood). The two big-band fusion albums he made after his broken leg, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo, are both awesome.

First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same.

With regards to Frank Zappa, the first FZ album that I bought was the 1974 release "Apostrophe".

Curious Hair wrote:

Back in the day, Scorehead was a musical snob while all of my buddies were listening to what was popular. While I liked the great classic Rock & Roll bands from the '70's, I was the guy listening to prog & fusion...Zappa, Todd Rundgren's Utopia, Genesis (with Gabriel), Steve Hackett, Yes, Jean Luc Ponty, Mahavishnu, Camel, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Curved Air, Brand X, Gong, Steve Hillage, UK, Nektar, Colosseum, Allan Holdsworth, Billy Cobham, Al Di Meola, Stanley Clarke, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Return To Forever, Jeff Beck, Pat Metheny, Larry Coryell, etc...

With regards to Frank Zappa, the first FZ album that I bought was the 1974 release "Apostrophe". My 2 favorite albums are both live releases..."Roxy & Elsewhere" from 1974, & "Zappa in New York" from 1976. Franks band in the mid '70's was outstanding & full of musical virtuosos. Frank was one of a kind.

Scorehead wrote:

Curious Hair wrote:

Ever go to http://www.progarchives.com ??, Scorehead? Can get some decent discussion there about all those bands.

i liked Gentle Giant. "Three Friends" is a good album.

I'm saving Zappa for my final days on this earth so I can probably sit and really enjoy it...cos I think I'll need a lot of time.

Never a Zappa guy. I know of his talent and all of the amazing people he's worked with, I just never heard that Zappa song that made me go "FUCK, WHAT A JAM!!!"

All due respect...

Check out the first 2 links below. The 3rd one is what night be FZ's greatest composition ever & a difficult as hell piece to play & perform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGy21u_LEwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZwa1Funh0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5FUxqnoHDU&list=RDX5FUxqnoHDU

Author:	Chus [ Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:29 pm ]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MewcnFl_6Y#t=15

Author:	Curious Hair [ Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:09 pm ]
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Young, clean-shaven, buying-Edgard-Varese-albums-in-record-stores Frank Zappa. Gotta love it. One of the best there ever was.

Author:	Scorehead [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:19 am ]
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Longtime Zappa guy. Frank was a genius.

Author:	Scooter [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:35 pm ]
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Don't eat the yellow snow. Zappa rules.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:47 pm ]
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Scorehead, which era of Zappa is your favorite? Never had you pegged as a Zappa guy. I'm partial to the second, advanced phase of the original Mothers, after We're Only in It for the Money but before Flo and Eddie. Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats (though that one's just FZ and Underwood). The two big-band fusion albums he made after his broken leg, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo, are both awesome. First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same.

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Author:	IMU [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:51 pm ]
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Man...I like some eclectic stuff, but I just can't do Zappa. At all. And I've tried a bit. The music itself...decent. Maybe not amazing, but I could listen to it. But the vocals and lyrics...good God.

Author:	Chus [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:58 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same. You know what you are? You're an asshole!

Author:	Curious Hair [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:02 pm ]
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I like the interview a member of the foreign press had with Frank about "Jones Crusher." It went something like: "Is this song about cult leader Jim Jones and how much you want to crush him?" "No, it's about an extremely tight vagina."

Author:	shirtless driver [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:09 pm ]
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I can kind of concede that he was a genius from a compositional standpoint, I just have a hard time that any non-wank musician type actually enjoys listening to his music.

Author:	Chus [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:09 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Ray White https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPHUKGNCUzc

Author:	Curious Hair [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:13 pm ]
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shirtless driver wrote: I can kind of concede that he was a genius from a compositional standpoint, I just have a hard time that any non-wank musician type actually enjoys listening to his music. Zappa had his share of unlistenable wank (I broke my purchase-only rule and d/led the Shut Up n' Play Yer Guitar trilogy; let's just say I was right to save the money), but you're selling him way short by writing all his music off as just for musicians. I wouldn't say anyone can enjoy the tunes on Freak Out! or Over-Nite Sensation, but they're much more accessible than one might expect.

Author:	Scorehead [ Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:25 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote: Scorehead, which era of Zappa is your favorite? Never had you pegged as a Zappa guy. I'm partial to the second, advanced phase of the original Mothers, after We're Only in It for the Money but before Flo and Eddie. Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats (though that one's just FZ and Underwood). The two big-band fusion albums he made after his broken leg, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo, are both awesome. First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same. Back in the day, Scorehead was a musical snob while all of my buddies were listening to what was popular. While I liked the great classic Rock & Roll bands from the '70's, I was the guy listening to prog & fusion...Zappa, Todd Rundgren's Utopia, Genesis (with Gabriel), Steve Hackett, Yes, Jean Luc Ponty, Mahavishnu, Camel, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Curved Air, Brand X, Gong, Steve Hillage, UK, Nektar, Colosseum, Allan Holdsworth, Billy Cobham, Al Di Meola, Stanley Clarke, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Return To Forever, Jeff Beck, Pat Metheny, Larry Coryell, etc... With regards to Frank Zappa, the first FZ album that I bought was the 1974 release "Apostrophe". My 2 favorite albums are both live releases..."Roxy & Elsewhere" from 1974, & "Zappa in New York" from 1976. Franks band in the mid '70's was outstanding & full of musical virtuosos. Frank was one of a kind.

Author:	Chus [ Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:21 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote: With regards to Frank Zappa, the first FZ album that I bought was the 1974 release "Apostrophe".

Author:	badrogue17 [ Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:25 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Scorehead, which era of Zappa is your favorite? Never had you pegged as a Zappa guy. I'm partial to the second, advanced phase of the original Mothers, after We're Only in It for the Money but before Flo and Eddie. Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats (though that one's just FZ and Underwood). The two big-band fusion albums he made after his broken leg, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo, are both awesome. First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same. Back in the day, Scorehead was a musical snob while all of my buddies were listening to what was popular. While I liked the great classic Rock & Roll bands from the '70's, I was the guy listening to prog & fusion...Zappa, Todd Rundgren's Utopia, Genesis (with Gabriel), Steve Hackett, Yes, Jean Luc Ponty, Mahavishnu, Camel, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Curved Air, Brand X, Gong, Steve Hillage, UK, Nektar, Colosseum, Allan Holdsworth, Billy Cobham, Al Di Meola, Stanley Clarke, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Return To Forever, Jeff Beck, Pat Metheny, Larry Coryell, etc... With regards to Frank Zappa, the first FZ album that I bought was the 1974 release "Apostrophe". My 2 favorite albums are both live releases..."Roxy & Elsewhere" from 1974, & "Zappa in New York" from 1976. Franks band in the mid '70's was outstanding & full of musical virtuosos. Frank was one of a kind. Ever go to http://www.progarchives.com ??, Scorehead? Can get some decent discussion there about all those bands.

Author:	shirtless driver [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:29 pm ]
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Don't get me wrong, I am a musician, and I can't hardly listen for more than 10 minutes. I appreciate the technical abilities, it just isn't music that's pleasant to listen to, IMO. Then again, I also despise the whole of Santana's catalog, and he's worshipped on a similar level, and nowhere near as testing to sit through. If I want prog, polyrhythmic jazz-fusion-rock, I'll take Jeff Beck any day of the week, though. Taste is weird.

Author:	Scorehead [ Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:33 am ]
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Speaking of Prog, YES will be in Chicago at The Copernicus Center July 26 & will perform both "Fragile" & "Close To The Edge" in their entirety. No Wakeman or Anderson, but still... http://copernicuscenter.org/yes/

Author:	Curious Hair [ Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:23 am ]
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Almost everything on Roxy and Elsewhere is better on You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2, which also contains the immortal line "you try bringing pussy in here, we spray you with mace." and "I'll call the American embassy!" "You'll call them?!? What?" "What'll I call 'em? I'll call 'em a barrel of motherfuckers, that's what I'll call 'em." While those are solid recommendations, I'm not the biggest fan of "The Black Page" and think it's a bit overrated as FZ's finest work. That, to me, would be either "The Little House I Used To Live In," "Watermelon in Easter Hay," or "What's New in Baltimore?" The Uncle Meat/Hot Rats/Burnt Weeny Sandwich/Weasels Ripped My Flesh era is my favorite.

Author:	Curious Hair [ Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:31 am ]
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After linking to "What's New in Baltimore?", I had to fire up Frank Zappa Meets the Mothers of Prevention and was immediately reminded of how much I love Johnny Guitar Watson. First of all, you gotta love a guitarist whose nickname is "Guitar." I don't think many people can pull that off. I don't even know how much guitar work he contributed to FZ's albums; I just love his vocals. And it turns out he was a huge figure in rhythm and blues who never got enough credit. Way cool of Frank to give him work. Favorite FZ sidemen: Ian Underwood Ike Willis Ruth Underwood (really defines the Zappa sound more than almost anyone) Terry Bozzio Ray White Johnny Guitar Watson Jean-Luc Ponty the Synclavier Jimmy Carl Black, the Indian of the group Don Pardo

Author:	Scorehead [ Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:08 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Scorehead wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Scorehead, which era of Zappa is your favorite? Never had you pegged as a Zappa guy. I'm partial to the second, advanced phase of the original Mothers, after We're Only in It for the Money but before Flo and Eddie. Uncle Meat, Burnt Weeny Sandwich, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, Hot Rats (though that one's just FZ and Underwood). The two big-band fusion albums he made after his broken leg, Waka/Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo, are both awesome. First album I ever bought was Sheik Yerbouti, late August 2004. I was never the same. Back in the day, Scorehead was a musical snob while all of my buddies were listening to what was popular. While I liked the great classic Rock & Roll bands from the '70's, I was the guy listening to prog & fusion...Zappa, Todd Rundgren's Utopia, Genesis (with Gabriel), Steve Hackett, Yes, Jean Luc Ponty, Mahavishnu, Camel, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, Curved Air, Brand X, Gong, Steve Hillage, UK, Nektar, Colosseum, Allan Holdsworth, Billy Cobham, Al Di Meola, Stanley Clarke, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Return To Forever, Jeff Beck, Pat Metheny, Larry Coryell, etc... With regards to Frank Zappa, the first FZ album that I bought was the 1974 release "Apostrophe". My 2 favorite albums are both live releases..."Roxy & Elsewhere" from 1974, & "Zappa in New York" from 1976. Franks band in the mid '70's was outstanding & full of musical virtuosos. Frank was one of a kind. Ever go to http://www.progarchives.com ??, Scorehead? Can get some decent discussion there about all those bands. Thanks.

Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Sun Jul 20, 2014 6:42 pm ]
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Humorous Zappa story by Steve Vai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6cplMM3d_Q

Author:	W_Z [ Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:39 am ]
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i liked Gentle Giant. "Three Friends" is a good album. I'm saving Zappa for my final days on this earth so I can probably sit and really enjoy it...cos I think I'll need a lot of time.

Author:	Scorehead [ Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:27 pm ]
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W_Z wrote: i liked Gentle Giant. "Three Friends" is a good album. I'm saving Zappa for my final days on this earth so I can probably sit and really enjoy it...cos I think I'll need a lot of time. Don't wait on Frank as you will shorten your listening enjoyment. All you need are the 2 live albums "Roxy & Elsewhere" & Live In New York". Those bands were great great bands full of virtuosos.

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:33 pm ]
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Scorehead, CH and Chus all united by their Zappa love. Strange bedfellows indeed.

Author:	Makalu G [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:11 pm ]
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Never a Zappa guy. I know of his talent and all of the amazing people he's worked with, I just never heard that Zappa song that made me go "FUCK, WHAT A JAM!!!" All due respect...

Author:	Scorehead [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:02 pm ]
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Makalu G wrote: Never a Zappa guy. I know of his talent and all of the amazing people he's worked with, I just never heard that Zappa song that made me go "FUCK, WHAT A JAM!!!" All due respect... Check out the first 2 links below. The 3rd one is what night be FZ's greatest composition ever & a difficult as hell piece to play & perform. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGy21u_LEwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZwa1Funh0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5FUxqnoHDU&list=RDX5FUxqnoHDU

Author:	Makalu G [ Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:43 pm ]
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Scorehead wrote: Check out the first 2 links below. The 3rd one is what night be FZ's greatest composition ever & a difficult as hell piece to play & perform. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGy21u_LEwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEZwa1Funh0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5FUxqnoHDU&list=RDX5FUxqnoHDU LOL!! Your examples just reinforce my opinion. I'm familiar with The Black Page. I'm very big on drumming and I've seen several variations of that song performed over the years by several of my all time favs. The other two are fine songs, just not my thing. Like I said, I respect the talent, but it's all so "Zappa-ey". Just not a fan. I was once is a fairly heated argument about Zappa and I was told that the musical part of my mind wasn't developed enough to "get" Zappa. That's fine...

Author:	312player [ Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:16 pm ]
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I never got the Zappa attraction ...he produced garbage IMO . O v e r rated!

Author:	Zizou [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:54 pm ]
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Big Zappa guy. My mom liked him so I grew up listening to his old LPs. He's kind of an acquired taste, like Sparks.

Author:	Erotic Lawyer [ Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:07 pm ]
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He definitely influenced Vai a lot. I know Steve was disappointed when he couldn't pull off Real Illusions. He wanted Bowie and a whole cast on that. He having obviously played with frank wanted to pull off something grand.

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