Dude, did you read my mind?

I dont know, did I?

Draymond would whip both of them.

I guess I'm in the minority here as I don't particularly care for Ali . I think an in his prime Tyson would win but Ali took the best of what Frazier had to offer and won so I don't know if Tyson was a better puncher than Frazier cuz if he isn't then he obviously loses.

I guess I'm in the minority here

FF thinks modern boxing is superior because they discovered spacing.

This is a poor attempt at a joke. There are hundreds of full length nba games on YouTube from the 80's and 90's. Watch some. If you're being honest you'd admit they do indeed have very poor spacing for the most part.

Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball.

Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball. The 95 Magic were the best spaced team I've ever watched.

I'm gonna hope you aren't serious.

I think Tyson was much quicker but his power is exaggerated when compared to some of the old greats like Frazier, Foreman, Marciano, etc.

Then again you're old as fuck so you'd know better than I would.

Look, you're my guy and all, but you need to stop implying that people need to watch more basketball. There are people on here who have watched and played basketball for decades. And I can promise that your assertion that NBA teams just "figured out" spacing in the last few years sounds absolutely ridiculous. I was taught spacing at grade school basketball camp in '94.

Ali with what we know now.

But Cus D'mato Tyson vs Ali in his prime? It would be close.

Don King Tyson, forget about it, Ali in round 1.

Would. Not. Happen.

If Cus could've lived to 110, then Tyson would've been the greatest fighter ever.

There is nothing exaggerated about Mike Tyson's power.

In Tyson's absolute prime, I mean, like, probably early-1988 Tyson, it would have been a heckofa match, as Mike had some of the very best technique, defense, and footwork that there could possibly be. He was an astute student of the game, who knew where to be, and where you were going to be.

After that time, he became a rock star, switched trainers, didn't train as hard, and started getting in with Don King, which is why his progress halted, and so quickly.

If Cus could've lived to 110, then Tyson would've been the greatest fighter ever.

Cus was gone before Mike hit his prime.

The loss of Kevin Rooney - i.e. the right hand of Cus, probably was his tipping point downward.

Teddy Atlas leaving was no big deal.