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Author:  RFDC [ Fri May 26, 2017 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Ali vs Tyson

I know we have done this before, but I am too lazy to find it. Had this discussion tonight with someone. He took the side that Tyson would beat Ali if both fought in their primes. I said that was insane. Ali would dominate Tyson. Tyson would not be able to handle his quickness and lightening fast jab

What say the rest of you

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 8:50 pm ]
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Dude, did you read my mind?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 8:53 pm ]
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Ali would win but not because of any physical advantages. He would dominate him mentally and strategically. Tyson would fall apart when his barrages did little damage. Watch Ali v Foreman. It's a work of fucking art. And I think Foreman was more powerful than Tyson.

Author:  RFDC [ Fri May 26, 2017 8:54 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Dude, did you read my mind?

:lol: I dont know, did I?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 8:56 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Dude, did you read my mind?

:lol: I dont know, did I?


I've been obsessed with boxing lately. I made the Foreman thread but was gonna make a similar thread to this. I'm addicted to these old boxing vids on Youtube.

Author:  RFDC [ Fri May 26, 2017 8:59 pm ]
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There are a lot of great matches on youtube. It is great to watch some of the legends.

I really wish I could get the guy I was talking to tonight in a room with JORR. This guy is of the opinion that the more modern person is always better than the older guys. He also told me tonight that Kluber was a better pitcher than Kofax

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:05 pm ]
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Ali. Silly question

Author:  badrogue17 [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:06 pm ]
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I guess I'm in the minority here as I don't particularly care for Ali . I think an in his prime Tyson would win but Ali took the best of what Frazier had to offer and won so I don't know if Tyson was a better puncher than Frazier cuz if he isn't then he obviously loses.

Author:  RFDC [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:07 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Draymond would whip both of them.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:09 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Draymond would whip both of them.

Nah I think they'd eventually win by decision

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:10 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority here as I don't particularly care for Ali . I think an in his prime Tyson would win but Ali took the best of what Frazier had to offer and won so I don't know if Tyson was a better puncher than Frazier cuz if he isn't then he obviously loses.


I think Tyson was much quicker but his power is exaggerated when compared to some of the old greats like Frazier, Foreman, Marciano, etc.

Then again you're old as fuck so you'd know better than I would.

Author:  Douchebag [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:10 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority here

Would. Not. Happen.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:11 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Draymond would whip both of them.


FF thinks modern boxing is superior because they discovered spacing.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:16 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
RFDC wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Draymond would whip both of them.


FF thinks modern boxing is superior because they discovered spacing.

This is a poor attempt at a joke. There are hundreds of full length nba games on YouTube from the 80's and 90's. Watch some. If you're being honest you'd admit they do indeed have very poor spacing for the most part.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:16 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
RFDC wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Draymond would whip both of them.


FF thinks modern boxing is superior because they discovered spacing.

This is a poor attempt at a joke. There are hundreds of full length nba games on YouTube from the 80's and 90's. Watch some. If you're being honest you'd admit they do indeed have very poor spacing for the most part.


I admit nothing. And others will be the judges of my joke.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:17 pm ]
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Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball. The 95 Magic were the best spaced team I've ever watched.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:19 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball.

It's easy to forget simple stuff as you get older.

Your NBA opinions are pretty inconsistent though. You think almost every classic older team would beat this Warriors team but you also think the next 4-7 games against this Warriors team is the litmus test for if LeBron is better than jordan.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:20 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball. The 95 Magic were the best spaced team I've ever watched.

:lol:

I'm gonna hope you aren't serious.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:28 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball. The 95 Magic were the best spaced team I've ever watched.

:lol:

I'm gonna hope you aren't serious.


Look, you're my guy and all, but you need to stop implying that people need to watch more basketball. There are people on here who have watched and played basketball for decades. And I can promise that your assertion that NBA teams just "figured out" spacing in the last few years sounds absolutely ridiculous. I was taught spacing at grade school basketball camp in '94.

Author:  Panther pislA [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:28 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority here as I don't particularly care for Ali . I think an in his prime Tyson would win but Ali took the best of what Frazier had to offer and won so I don't know if Tyson was a better puncher than Frazier cuz if he isn't then he obviously loses.


I think Tyson was much quicker but his power is exaggerated when compared to some of the old greats like Frazier, Foreman, Marciano, etc.

Then again you're old as fuck so you'd know better than I would.

There is nothing exaggerated about Mike Tyson's power.

In Tyson's absolute prime, I mean, like, probably early-1988 Tyson, it would have been a heckofa match, as Mike had some of the very best technique, defense, and footwork that there could possibly be. He was an astute student of the game, who knew where to be, and where you were going to be.

After that time, he became a rock star, switched trainers, didn't train as hard, and started getting in with Don King, which is why his progress halted, and so quickly.

Author:  FavreFan [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:32 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Also, I've watched tons of 80s and 90s basketball. The 95 Magic were the best spaced team I've ever watched.

:lol:

I'm gonna hope you aren't serious.


Look, you're my guy and all, but you need to stop implying that people need to watch more basketball. There are people on here who have watched and played basketball for decades. And I can promise that your assertion that NBA teams just "figured out" spacing in the last few years sounds absolutely ridiculous. I was taught spacing at grade school basketball camp in '94.

Well, this isn't really a debatable topic. There are hundreds of articles from people who can articulate this much better than you or I detailing the evolution of the game and the superior spacing that has come from the past 30 years of NBA ball. To say that the 95 Magic had superior spacing to the 2014 Spurs or 2017 Warriors isn't a bad opinion, it's objectively wrong.

And I only say watch those games because I often do and these games were 20-30 years ago so it's not insulting to suggest it's easy to forget how different the play style was.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:41 pm ]
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Ali with what we know now.

But Cus D'mato Tyson vs Ali in his prime? It would be close.

Don King Tyson, forget about it, Ali in round 1.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:44 pm ]
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HawaiiYou wrote:
Ali with what we know now.

But Cus D'mato Tyson vs Ali in his prime? It would be close.

Don King Tyson, forget about it, Ali in round 1.


Agreed, but any two world class heavyweights in their prime would be close.

Author:  Douchebag [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:45 pm ]
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If Cus could've lived to 110, then Tyson would've been the greatest fighter ever.

Author:  Chus [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:48 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority here

Would. Not. Happen.
:lol:

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Fri May 26, 2017 9:52 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
If Cus could've lived to 110, then Tyson would've been the greatest fighter ever.



No, even if Cus survived Satan incarnate Don King would have found a way to lure Tyson into his grip.

Author:  Regular Reader [ Fri May 26, 2017 10:00 pm ]
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Panther pislA wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
I guess I'm in the minority here as I don't particularly care for Ali . I think an in his prime Tyson would win but Ali took the best of what Frazier had to offer and won so I don't know if Tyson was a better puncher than Frazier cuz if he isn't then he obviously loses.


I think Tyson was much quicker but his power is exaggerated when compared to some of the old greats like Frazier, Foreman, Marciano, etc.

Then again you're old as fuck so you'd know better than I would.

There is nothing exaggerated about Mike Tyson's power.

In Tyson's absolute prime, I mean, like, probably early-1988 Tyson, it would have been a heckofa match, as Mike had some of the very best technique, defense, and footwork that there could possibly be. He was an astute student of the game, who knew where to be, and where you were going to be.

After that time, he became a rock star, switched trainers, didn't train as hard, and started getting in with Don King, which is why his progress halted, and so quickly.


He's right you know...

Ali was also great because he was a student of boxing and his opponents. Tyson was too, right up until he knocked out Marvis Frazier and Michael Spinks with the ol one hitter quitter

Author:  Panther pislA [ Fri May 26, 2017 10:06 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
If Cus could've lived to 110, then Tyson would've been the greatest fighter ever.

Cus was gone before Mike hit his prime.

The loss of Kevin Rooney - i.e. the right hand of Cus, probably was his tipping point downward.

Teddy Atlas leaving was no big deal.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Fri May 26, 2017 10:11 pm ]
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Panther pislA wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
If Cus could've lived to 110, then Tyson would've been the greatest fighter ever.

Cus was gone before Mike hit his prime.

The loss of Kevin Rooney - i.e. the right hand of Cus, probably was his tipping point downward.

Teddy Atlas leaving was no big deal.


Tyson would have continued his greatest with anyone who was a legitimate boxing trainer like say Bob Arum. But not with Don King who introduced MIke to pussy, money, crooks, and the scum of the earth.

Author:  Panther pislA [ Fri May 26, 2017 10:16 pm ]
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Its sad, but I think the same thing happened to Bruce Lee.

I guess when you are the Baddest Man on the Planet, you can't help but to get cocky.

He, too, achieved rock star status (and started behaving like one), and abondoned much of the discipline that got him to the top.

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