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| Author: | Bob Loblaw [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Bill DeMott needs to go away |
After 10 years of stories of how much of a dick this guy is, they can't all be untrue. The continuation of former WWE developmental talent to not be members of the Bill DeMott Fan Club continued this past week. I’ve actually talked or corresponded with quite a few people on this subject and it’s not unanimous, but I’d say 80% are negative on DeMott. Some were also proponents of Tom Prichard and it was not very popular overall when he was replaced. One person, not a fan of DeMott, noted that Derek Foore and Drew Donaldson (who wrestled as Chad Baxter and Chase Donovan) have spoken out with another former developmental wrestler, Kevin Matthews, regarding DeMott. Foore, a former NCAA Division II champion who was released in November, said the talent risks their lives for low pay and that when he was recruited, they painted a picture of what it would be like, and once he got there, it was nothing like that. He claimed they treated him great at his tryout but he became a black sheep once he came in full-time. One of the problems with Foore is that before going to Florida, he contacted Teddy Hart to learn some wrestling moves, and WWE and Teddy Hart’s thinking on wrestling is very different, so he had to unlearn the very little bit he knew. On DeMott, he said, “If you messed up on a spot, he could break a yardstick over your back.” He said Rob MacIntyre (the trainer at Cena’s Hard Knocks South gym where a lot of the guys trained), who got heat because there were so many injuries, was unfairly blamed and replaced. He said the high number of injuries was due to DeMott’s training and said DeMott talked about his drug use during his days as a wrestler and felt he shouldn’t be in that position. WWE likes to bring in guys who had drug issues, such as Perry Saturn and Lex Luger, to talk with talent, to hopefully steer them away from that aspect. As Baxter & Donovan, Foore said they came up with 13 different ideas and vignettes but none of them were used. He said a few weeks later he saw the Prime Time Players on Raw using an idea they suggested (the whistle) and claimed the Dr. Shelby psychiatrist idea that they did last year for Bryan & Kane was one of the ideas they used, as was the hugging it out after teasing breaking up (although that spot had been used in wrestling for years–the Midnight Express used to tease breaking up and end up hugging at the end as heels in the 80s). He also claimed DeMott had a gun in his office and used homophobic slurs daily, and was a bully. One wrestler who was there and heard part of the podcast said about Foore and Donaldson: “They’re idiots. Foore just didn’t get it and rubbed everyone wrong immediately. Over time he started to figure things out and became fun to be around. Still, he seemed to be a bit delusional about the wrestling world. Drew is a good guy but didn’t really have much to help him stand out. I always felt he was intelligent, but after hearing him give credence to certain rumors on that podcast, I don’t feel he has any credibility. There are genuine issues here but what they are touching on is either false or skewed. It’s disappointing.” Another person very familiar with the situation said Foore was a nice guy, but a meathead, but a lovable meathead. Apparently, when it came time to come up with a name, Foore brought up that Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar didn’t use fake names. He was told not to say things like that to anyone in power as the new company policy is while they recruit athletes, once they are there, those backgrounds mean little, aren’t really promoted and everyone is given a new name, whether you were a college football player, an NCAA Division I wrestler, or the son of a famous celebrity or a wrestling legend. Foore and Donaldson and Nick Rogers were said to be a very funny act on promos and at one time there was at least talk to maybe put them on Saturday Morning Slam as a goofy trio. But while one set of decision makers liked them, another set thought their ring work was lacking, so they went from being teased of being on TV, to being let go when cuts were made. They were all shocked and upset about being fired by Canyon Ceman, particularly since they saw him as not knowing wrestling and being an ex-volleyball star (I suspect Ceman was just the bad guy who made the phone call, not the guy who made the call, but I could be wrong). Foore after being fired, came back to the school and wanted to talk with DeMott, who very politely asked him to leave and said they could talk later, and Foore then screamed “Fuck you” at DeMott and made a scene. This all happened at the end of last year. Regarding the charges, one person said he never heard DeMott use any hate speech, “Not saying it didn’t happen, but I never heard it.” The person said DeMott did use a small stick for about a week, not a 2x4, but a stick that would hurt less than a kendo stick. He’d smack a guy in the boot or the back as they hit the ropes on occasion. But it wasn’t like he was beating people with the stick. Then the stick was gone. “I like to think I could gauge a problem when I see it and I’d not consider that a big issue. It was more isolated clowning around that nobody really seemed to take issue with till now. And again, it happened like one week and that was it.” DeMott was loved by those in charge because he’s very organized, with charts, bulletins, notes e-mails, every day, all day. “ He’s a yes man, and that’s what they love,” noted one person. It was also noted when Ceman brought in Ryan Katz to take Rob Naylor’s spot, that even though DeMott and Naylor were said to be close, DeMott didn’t argue it and accepted it, which is the smart political move for his job. Still, there was a feeling that instead of going on the Internet and praising him publicly, he should have stood up for his friend or at least tried to fight for him to keep his job. Then again, it was unlikely to make any difference, and DeMott was hardly the only one praising Naylor last week on Twitter from management even though he was let go, right up to HHH, who runs the division. And there is a good chance they’ll find a way to bring him back, but that whole situation last week was so weird with everyone talking about how great he was at his job, how much he knew, all the talent getting him to trend, etc., and yet, the company still let him go. Without mentioning DeMott’s name, Ivelisse Velez, who had a lot of potential because she had in-ring instincts that the other women didn’t have, plus looked the way they want their women to look, talked about her run there. Her release surprised me because people were always praising her and Paige, who were better than several of the women on the roster and had the right look. But she did get a reputation for having an attitude problem. Whether that’s why TNA hasn’t hired her after she got that huge reaction for her Gut Check match and the crowd hated that she was cut, don’t know. In Mexico, the same things were said about how she was pretty and could work but her attitude was an issue. “As soon as Dr. Tom was not there anymore, I saw something lurking,” she told Ringbelles. “I knew my days were limited. If you notice specifically in Tough Enough, there’s a certain person that didn’t really like me very much. So I knew I had to really get to the main roster as soon as I possibly can, because otherwise, I’d probably be out of there.” She said what bothered her the most in developmental, and this is also where the “attitude problem” issue came from in the sense they would tell her this and it got her mad. “I hated to hear, `Don’t wrestle like a guy. We want you to wrestle like women.’ My entire career, I focused on wrestling like I was just as good as the guys, and I’m told now that I finally make it, that I have to switch it up and be girly. It was a little frustrating.” Another charge made was that one of the trainers sexually harassed one of the younger women performers in developmental. There was definitely a rumor going around, because Ryan Nemeth, immediately after he got cut, tweeted that same thing. The story was that someone harassed the woman, and DeMott then told her not to complain to human resources about it. Nemeth took down his tweets very quickly. It would have put heat on his brother (Ziggler) not to do so. One person there said that there were things wrong and to complain about, but that story was not the way it happened and not one of the real issues. The WWE issued a statement on the latter charge by saying, “There have been no sexual harassment complaints filed against any employee at the WWE’s training facility in Orlando. Instead, there have been baseless allegations, made by disgruntled talent recently released by WWE. Regardless, WWE takes these issues seriously and investigated this matter, concluding there was no wrongdoing.” |
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| Author: | Matches Malone [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bill DeMott needs to go away |
Having read and heard the stories we all have over the years, I'm shocked more lawsuits haven't been filed. I would think one could easily make a case as to a hostile work environment up north. If even half the legends are true regarding bullying and outright liberties taken in the ring, how can they get away with it? I know most don't want to risk crossing the E, but damn, at some point enough is enough. |
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| Author: | spmack [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bill DeMott needs to go away |
Eh, I liked him as Hugh Morrus. |
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| Author: | Bob Loblaw [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bill DeMott needs to go away |
I was thinking the same...why hasn't a hostile work environment lawsuit been filed yet? And he how did get rehired after the donut-stinkface deal "It appears that former WWE developmental worker Kevin Matthews is not backing down from Bill DeMott. Matthews has posted a photo of Twitter of what appears to be a naked wrestler giving another worker a stink face in the corner of the ring while DeMott stands on the outside at the old Deep South Wrestling training center." http://ringsidenews.com/photo/40772/wre ... dsw/22745/ ---------- Devon Nicholson talks what really happened with the naked stinkface Hi Dave, The whole story is well described in this video but I also put a statement below for you if you want to hear the impartial side of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0h1cOCsKXQ I was in DSW during the time of the incident between Zack Ryder, Melissa Coates and Drew Hankinson. Nobody involved in the "Naked Jelly Donut Incident" were forced to do it. They volunteered to do it to get out of training that day. Bill had come up with the elaborate game because he wanted them to train and didn't think they'd agree to it. Hankinson was not "nearly naked" he was totally naked, the only thing covering his genital area were his hands. He was in the ring nude for approximately 30 - 45 minutes while Demott walked from one corner to the other holding up approximately 18 jelly donuts for Hankinson to "stink face" on both Zack Ryder and Melissa Coates. Ryder and Coates were cheered on heavily by many of the DSW talent who also did not want to train. I had passed a try out and was paying to be there to learn wrestling and attempt to get a WWE contract but went back to wrestling in Puerto Rico shortly after this incident occurred. I doubt Vince McMahon knew that this type of "training" was going on in his territory and I had assumed him finding out was one of the reasons it was shut down and Demott was let go. Although I disagreed with some of his training methods, I had a good relationship with Bill Demott while I was in DSW and valued the wrestling related advice he gave me. Devon ----- more http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/12/9/ ... n-matthews |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Bill DeMott needs to go away |
WWE won't allow real names because if they decide to leave the fake name given to them is owned by the WWE. It means they have to create a character all over again in TNA,etc. |
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