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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
This is ESPN.com's list. Im a casual fan of boxing, wondering what the fight fans think 10. Sam Langford Lightweight, welterweight, middleweight, heavyweight Ring career: 1902-26 Record: 167-38-37-3 (117 KOs) and 48 no-decisions Career notes: Almost certainly the greatest fighter never to win, or even fight for, a world title. … Fought all the way from lightweight to heavyweight, and continued to fight -- and win -- even after becoming almost completely blind in one eye and partially blind in another. … Problem was that he was just too good. That, and the fact that heavyweight career overlapped with that of Jack Johnson -- who refused to give him a title shot, and whose behavior outside the ropes made promoters leery about the prospect of another black heavyweight champion -- combined to deny him the world title opportunity he deserved. … After being forced to retire because of blindness, disappeared from view until he was rediscovered by journalist Al Laney in 1944. 9. Jack Dempsey Heavyweight Ring career: 1914-27 Record: 61-6-8 (50 KOs) and 6 no-decisions Career notes: Held world heavyweight title from 1919 to 1926, although only six of his fights during that period were official title defenses. … Furious two-fisted punching style was hugely popular with fans. … Engaged in some of the most celebrated battles of all time, including with Luis Angel Firpo and Gene Tunney. … The "Manassa Mauler" was the face of boxing at a time when it was still, along with baseball and horse racing, the most popular sport in the land. … Rakishly handsome and charismatic outside the ring, was all-action inside it, brandishing a breathtaking, go-for-broke fighting style. … Won the title by shattering the jaw of giant Jess Willard. … When he lost it, by decision to Tunney in 1926, it was in front of the largest paid attendance in the history of boxing -- more than 120,000 spectators. … In rematch, floored Tunney for a count of nine, the infamous "long count" in which Tunney was actually on the canvas for 14 seconds. … After losing rematch, retired and opened a restaurant in New York. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Jack Dempsey ESPN Video 8. Jack Johnson Heavyweight Ring career: 1897-1928 Record: 77-13-14 (48 KOs) and 19 no-decisions Career notes: First black heavyweight champion. … Beat Tommy Burns to win crown in 1908, and held on to it until defeated by Jess Willard in 1915. … Was in many ways precursor to Muhammad Ali: dominant in the ring and deliberately provocative and antagonizing outside it, shocking and infuriating white society with his boldness and arrogance. … Was driven into exile for much of his reign, living and fighting in Europe and South America to avoid facing charges under the profoundly racist Mann Act, which prohibited the transport of white women across state lines for immoral purposes. … Died in an auto accident in 1946. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Jack Johnson ESPN Video 7. Benny Leonard Lightweight Ring career: 1911-32 Record: 85-5-1 (69 KOs) and 121 no-decisions Career notes: Won world lightweight championship in May 1917, and retired as champion in January 1925, making him the longest-reigning lightweight champion ever. … After more than seven years, made return to the ring, winning 18 of 19. … At one stage, fought 154 consecutive bouts without losing. … Of five losses, three were in his formative ring years, one was on a foul when challenging for the welterweight championship and one was the final contest of his career, during his comeback after a seven-year layoff, against fellow Hall of Famer Jimmy McLarnin. … Exceptional all-around talent possessed speed, accuracy and power in one package. … Became a referee after retirement, and collapsed and died in the ring while refereeing a bout in New York state. 6. Roberto Duran Lightweight, welterweight, junior middleweight, middleweight Ring career: 1968-2001 Record: 103-16 (70 KOs) Career notes: Won lightweight championship from Ken Buchanan in 1972. … Snarling, unstoppable ring monster dominated lightweight division for seven years, and then outhustled Sugar Ray Leonard to become welterweight champ in 1980. … Quit in the rematch with Leonard five months later. … At 32, destroyed Davey Moore to win a junior middleweight belt in 1983, and fought bravely against Marvin Hagler five months later. … In 1984, was felled, flat on his face, by Tommy Hearns inside two rounds. … In the 21st year of professional career, improbably won a middleweight belt by beating Iran Barkley in 1989. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Roberto Duran ESPN Video 5. Willie Pep Featherweight Ring career: 1940-66 Record: 230-11-1 (65 KOs) Career notes: Two-time world featherweight champion renowned for legendary defensive skills. … Achieved tremendous success despite suffering near-fatal injuries in a plane crash in 1947. … Legend that says he once won a round without throwing a punch (he almost certainly did not) is testament to defensive wizardry of "Will o' the Wisp." … Won first 63 bouts before losing to Sammy Angott, and then went 72-0-1 before losing again, to Sandy Saddler. … Only Saddler was ever truly able to figure him out, winning three of four times in bouts that were frequently brutal and foul-filled. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Willie Pep ESPN Video 4. Joe Louis Heavyweight Ring career: 1934-51 Record: 68-3 (54 KOs) Career notes: Won world heavyweight championship in 1937, and retired as champion in 1949. … Held heavyweight title for longer (11 years, 8 months, 7 days) and made more successful defenses (25) than anyone. … Defined by two fights against Max Schmeling of Germany. In first encounter, was unbeaten and knocked out in the 12th round, in June 1936. In rematch, almost exactly two years later, as world champion knocked out challenger in the first round, becoming hero to black and white Americans alike, and cemented his place as one of the most popular champions of all time. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Joe Louis ESPN Video 3. Henry Armstrong Featherweight, lightweight, welterweight Ring career: 1932-45 Record: 151-21-9 (101 KOs) Career notes: Only boxer to hold world titles at three different weights simultaneously. … Won featherweight crown in October 1937. … Added welterweight title in May 1938 and became lightweight champion three months later. … Challenged for middleweight crown in 1940, and held champion Ceferino Garcia to a draw. … Known variously as "Hammerin' Hank" and "Homicide Hank." Third nickname, "Hurricane Hank," was perhaps the most appropriate. … Was a whirlwind of a fighter, a perpetual-motion machine who overwhelmed opponents with a nonstop, suffocating fusillade of punches. … Faced 17 world champions in career and defeated 15 of them. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Henry Armstrong ESPN Video 2. Muhammad Ali Heavyweight Ring career: 1960-81 Record: 56-5 (37 KOs) Career notes: First to win heavyweight championship of the world three times. … Was banned from the ring for three years for refusing induction into the armed forces during the Vietnam War. … After ban was lifted, lost to Joe Frazier in "Fight of the Century" in 1971, but stunned George Foreman to regain belt in 1974. … Lost title to, and regained it from, Leon Spinks in 1978. … Three of defeats came in last four bouts, including two in an ill-advised emergence from retirement, against Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick, at 38. … Transcended the sport unlike any other boxer. … Reinvented the way heavyweights were supposed to fight, deploying a speed and athleticism that was previously unheard of; also alternately bedazzled and appalled America and the world with charisma, showmanship and braggadocio. … Viewed progressively over the years as loudmouth, villain, hero and finally a figure of pathos. … Remains for many the definition of a champion. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Muhammad Ali ESPN Video 1. Sugar Ray Robinson Welterweight, middleweight Ring career: 1940-65 Record: 175-19-6-2 (109 KOs) Career notes: Won world welterweight title in December 1946, and defended it four times before stepping up in weight and winning, in 1951, first of five stints as middleweight champ. … Attempted to win light heavyweight title from Joey Maxim in 1952, but was stopped in the 14th round. … Born Walker Smith in Ailey, Ga. … Was the most complete boxer yet to grace the squared circle. … Lost just one of first 123 fights, to Jake LaMotta, a defeat avenged five times in a classic ring rivalry. … A near-perfect pugilist at welterweight, was less dominant at middleweight, but was still able to win the title five times, including three times after he had retired for two and a half years. … Only stoppage defeat was when challenging Maxim for light heavyweight crown, and then was leading on points until overcome by heat so extreme that it had forced the replacement of the referee in the 10th. Let's go to the video: 50 Greatest: Sugar Ray Robinson ESPN Video Kieran Mulvaney is a freelance writer based in Washington, D.C. He covers boxing for ESPN.com, Reuters and TigerBoxing.com. Join the conversation about boxers No. 10-1. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 He would in mine but when you start making the list, its hard. Which guy would you take out? Marciano isnt on there either. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. That's a pretty standard list, although a lot of guys would have Sugar Ray Leonard ranked higher than Duran. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
I wonder if they left Rocky Marciano off just to provoke a reaction. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. Many who grew up in the 80's have Tyson as 1 or 2 behind Ali. This is obviously discounting the guys from the early days |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
BTW, this is not a new list. It was something I looked up after we were talking Mayweather Pac in the office |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. That's a pretty standard list, although a lot of guys would have Sugar Ray Leonard ranked higher than Duran. I'd have Duran over Leonard, but I'd have Hagler over both of them. |
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| Author: | Hockey Gay [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Mayweather has to be in the top 10. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
I'm also putting Joe Frazier in over Jack Dempsey. Holding the belt as long as Dempsey did with only six title defenses diminishes everything to me. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. Many who grew up in the 80's have Tyson as 1 or 2 behind Ali. That's just wrong though. And I love Tyson. There's no way you could rank him ahead of Frazier or Foreman. Come to think of it, Jack Johnson wasn't on that top ten, was he? That's probably not right. As much as I like Tyson, I probably couldn't rank him ahead of the most underrated heavyweight of all time, Larry Holmes. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Just throwing out names from my generation and after. Tyson, Holmes, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Jones Jr. Very tough list to make. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. That's a pretty standard list, although a lot of guys would have Sugar Ray Leonard ranked higher than Duran. I get there are a lot of great boxers there. But you are really telling me that Mike Tyson shouldn't at least be 9 or 10? Do you think Tyson could have beaten Dempsey? |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. Many who grew up in the 80's have Tyson as 1 or 2 behind Ali. That's just wrong though. And I love Tyson. There's no way you could rank him ahead of Frazier or Foreman. Come to think of it, Jack Johnson wasn't on that top ten, was he? That's probably not right. As much as I like Tyson, I probably couldn't rank him ahead of the most underrated heavyweight of all time, Larry Holmes. Which of these guys would have beaten Tyson if both in their primes? A lot of guys? |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
pittmike wrote: Just throwing out names from my generation and after. Tyson, Holmes, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, Jones Jr. Very tough list to make. It's odd how forgettable Roy Jones Jr. is to me. Great boxer/fighter, but he had the misfortune of fighting during a period where there was really only interest in the heavyweights. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
My generation (85-present) Tyson Roy Jones Mayweather Holyfield Bowe |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
RFDC wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: RFDC wrote: Surely Tyson should have a spot in a top 10 No way. That's a pretty standard list, although a lot of guys would have Sugar Ray Leonard ranked higher than Duran. I get there are a lot of great boxers there. But you are really telling me that Mike Tyson shouldn't at least be 9 or 10? Do you think Tyson could have beaten Dempsey? I don't know. The undefeated Tyson was intimidating. When Cus was alive Tyson was a student of the game and a real technician. But he obviously didn't like being hit. Once he wasn't knocking everyone out in the first round he became very ordinary. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
rogers park bryan wrote: Which of these guys would have beaten Tyson if both in their primes? A lot of guys? It's hard to say. Guys like Billy Conn and Gene Tunney could take a beating. How many fights did Tyson win going the distance? Tyson fought a lot of tomato cans. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:29 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Which of these guys would have beaten Tyson if both in their primes? A lot of guys? Ali, Frazier & Foreman would have. Frazier would have killed him. As for Lawrence Holmes, I can't see him in the top 10 of just heavyweights. But that may largely be because he fought in a remarkably dead period of heavyweight boxing. I'm having a hard time mustering respect for any of the guys he routinely clobbered. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Which of these guys would have beaten Tyson if both in their primes? A lot of guys? It's hard to say. Guys like Billy Conn and Gene Tunney could take a beating. How many fights did Tyson win going the distance? Tyson fought a lot of tomato cans. Much of the argument on Tyson is "If he caught you with the uppercut....its over" |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Which of these guys would have beaten Tyson if both in their primes? A lot of guys? It's hard to say. Guys like Billy Conn and Gene Tunney could take a beating. How many fights did Tyson win going the distance? Tyson fought a lot of tomato cans. Every so often I laugh thinking about the Marvis Frazier fight. 
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Did Tyson beat anybody who was great? Did the rest of them lose the belt to any body as bad as Buster? |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:26 pm ] |
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Regular Reader wrote: I wonder if they left Rocky Marciano off just to provoke a reaction. Him and Butterbean too. ... not really, ya pricks ... |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Plus once you figure out you can get a star when you punch him in the head when he blinks both eyes he's a lot easier to beat. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Ranking the greatest Boxers of all time |
Im not much of a fight fan but all I know is guys were scared to death to fight Tyson in his prime. He was like the 85 Bears defense for a couple years there. Men were afraid of him. maybe other fighters have been like that ( Joe Frazier? ) but I haven't seen anyone else come close to that fear factor since. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:34 pm ] |
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10 King Hippo 9 Don Flamenco 8 Bald Bull 7 Soda Popinski / jimmypasta 6 Great Tiger 5 Piston Honda 4 Mr. Sandman 3 Super Macho Man 2 Little Mac 1 Mike Tyson |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:52 pm ] |
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KDdidit wrote: Did Tyson beat anybody who was great? Did the rest of them lose the belt to any body as bad as Buster? I think Ruddock was great at the time He beat everyone put in front of him. Its not like he was ducking anybody |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:56 pm ] |
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Quote: Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta: Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair. Take a look around,we are taking over the world! |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:58 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: Quote: Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta: Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair. Take a look around,we are taking over the world! Read that post again out loud and think about it, Jimmy |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:00 pm ] |
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jimmypasta wrote: Quote: Don Tiny said: Soda Popinski / jimmypasta: Yes,I'm a large white,shaved bald guy with facial hair. Take a look around,we are taking over the world! Hey, it's you as Soda, Matches as Bald Bull, and me as King Hippo, so I think you got the best draw on that one. |
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