So you have Bradshaw as the 2nd greatest ever?

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No. You need jewelry to enter the discussion though.

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I'll let him in just for keeping the P*triots from going 19-0

Agreed. Let’s talk about Mahomes vs Rodgers when Mahomes gets to that level.

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That 1 title barely gets him into the all time great discussion. All time great and currently a far superior player are entirely different debates. If Rodgers were as good as Mahomes he would have more than 1 ring or SB appearance. The Curse of Andy Reid and a coin flip likely kept Mahomes from winning a Super Bowl in his first season.

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From Wikipedia: Super Bowl XLII

In front of a record-setting American television audience and on the strength of a late fourth-quarter drive led by Manning, the Giants beat the 12.5 point-favored, undefeated New England Patriots 17–14.

"Manning takes the snap, back to throw, under pressure, avoids the rush and he's gonna...fight out of it, still fights out of it, now throws it deep down field, wide open Tyree who... MAKES THE CATCH! AT THE 24-YARD LINE! What a play by Manning!"
— Bob Papa calling Manning's completion to David Tyree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls0KWHT-6Gc

Trailing 14-10 with 2:42 remaining, Manning led the Giants 83 yards on a game-winning touchdown drive. On a crucial third-and-5 at the Giants' 44-yard line, Manning connected with David Tyree on a play in which he avoided several near-sacks and Tyree caught the ball off his helmet for a large gain. Four plays later, Plaxico Burress caught a 13-yard touchdown pass with just 35 seconds remaining for the winning margin. Manning became only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw two go-ahead fourth-quarter touchdowns in a Super Bowl (Joe Montana being the first). Manning also became the first quarterback to throw a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown in the NFL title game (including the pre-Super Bowl era) when a field goal would not at least tie the game.

The Curse of Mike McCarthy is a little bit worse than being cursed with the 2nd best coach of the last 25 years.

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Andy Reid isn't the second best coach of the last twenty-five years.

I'm too old to think back that far but there is no doubt that he's the 2nd best coach in the NFL now. He's been great for years but finds a way to lose or has terrible luck in the playoffs.

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Sean Payton has him pretty thoroughly beat.

Not close. He went 7-9 three straight years with an all time great QB before a historically great draft class saved him.

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Damn why didn't I keep Dak over him in nasleague?

oh yeah, cuz Ben was like top-5 overall last year and dak was all hype and I figured I'd try for one more run (at a repeat) this year.

Now I've gotta give up my best RB (last year I ended up.with 4 quality starting RBs that were there all season. I could only keep 2, and I had to "burn" my best one to recoup dak in place of big ben, who managed to do a large part in helping me get to 0-2 coming off of back to back ~20pt losses where el Ben Grande managed 34 and 11 points in a league where ~50 is a decent average week.

so yeah here's hoping that dak can give mahomes a run for his money this year.

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BITE.

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Cedric Benson fumble and Danielle Manning blown coverage from being a HoF player

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Pretty ridiculous to say its not even close. Pete Carroll is probably better than Reid too, keeping Seattle competitive has been quite the feat.

Also when you say going back twenty-five years you start including people like Joe Gibbs, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells, Bill Cowher, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan and Tom Coughlin.

Andy Reid is basically fat Marty Shottenheimer. Not even intending that as an insult (well ok maybe the fat part), until he does it in the playoffs its really hard to put him in the elite company you insist he's in. And to say he's the second best coach since 1994? Preposterous. Laughable. Utterly ridiculous.

That play was very exciting for sure, but the best pass he threw in his career was manning to manningham in the second SB. Eli carried that team to that Super Bowl. That team was along for the ride that year.

Yeah, really hard to keep a team afloat with a top 5 QB. Meanwhile Reid is out here going 13-3 with Alex Smith. Fuck outta here with Pete Carroll. Even Reid would have run the ball on the 1 fucking yard line with Marshawn Lynch.

John Harbaugh has the best argument over Reid if we are talking active coaches. Payton is basically Mike McCarthy and some of us still remember Carroll’s tenure with NE.

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You gotta be daft calling for Eli to be HOF worthy.
Never at any point in his career was he a top 5 QB. He was decent for most of his career, elite a year, lucky as fuck a year, and in an era where he played with the QBs he played against hes no hall of famer.

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His stats are meaningless because it doesn’t fit your narrative that he is not HOF worthy. Of course his stats mean something. He played 15 years without missing even one game due to injury. Of course that plays into a case for him to be in. Yes, other players will have bigger counting stats but that doesn’t discount the numbers he accumulated. Fact is he did accumulate a lot of stats AND he won a couple Super Bowls and was MVP in both of them. He is an instant-HOF selection.

Inherently it does discount that though. Literally.

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From an NBC Sports site...
The case against Eli Manning
• I start with this: When I’m judging a player for Hall of Fame consideration, I ask whether he was ever the best in the NFL at his position for any five-year span. Manning never even came close close. His best five-year span was probably 2011 through 2015, and during that span he ranked 19th in the NFL in passer rating, 20th in completion percentage and 15th in wins. He was seventh in TD passes but first in interceptions.

• He was never great over a full season. Manning played 14 full seasons and finished in the top 10 in passer rating once — he was seventh in 2011. He also ranked 20th or worse six times. He never had a passer rating over 93.6. Sure-fire Hall of Famers like Drew Brees, Brady, Peyton, Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger have each had a passer rating over 93.6 at least eight times.

• He never led the NFL in completion percentage, touchdowns, passing yards, yards per game, passer rating or any other major category except interceptions. He led the NFL in interceptions three times.

• Manning’s 3.09 interception percentage ranks closer to the bottom since he entered the NFL than the top. It’s 49th-best out of 73 QBs who’ve thrown at least 1,000 passes since 2004.

• How many of those 246 games was Eli Manning truly great? He has five career games with 300 passing yards, 3 TD passes and 0 interceptions. That’s the same number as Jared Goff, who’s played 206 fewer games.

The verdict
On Feb. 3, 2008, and Feb. 5, 2012, Eli Manning was the best quarterback in the world. For nearly all of the other 244 football Sundays since his career began he not only wasn’t the best QB in the world he was remarkably average.

He has a .500 career record, and in 12 of the 14 seasons he was a full-time starter the Giants failed to win a playoff game.

Even Manning’s Super Bowl performances weren’t off the charts.

In the first one — after the 2007 season — he had a modest passer rating of 82.5, which is 13th-worst of any winning quarterback in Super Bowl history, and he put up just 17 points. In the other, he was very good but still only threw one TD pass.

A lot of people will tell you when talking about Manning that he doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame, he should be in the Hall of Very Good.

Honestly, I’m not so sure he belongs in that one either.

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Damn. Second time since lunch mofo has been "Cliff Clavined"

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Who is getting Cliff Clavin'd in this thread? Everyone here knows he is going in. I dont disagree with anything listed there, and never claimed he was a great. His super bowls, his accumulated stats, and his durability make it a no-brainer.

He doesn't

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