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 Post subject: Eliminate Kickoffs?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:07 pm 
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How about both teams just take the field in a dress from now on?

Plus, there's no way the Union goes for this. This would eliminate a ton of roster spots that are right now devoted to players that are specialists on special teams.

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Commissioner Roger Goodell recently discussed a proposal to eliminate kickoffs with Rich McKay, the head of the league's competition committee, Time magazine reported.

Goodell and McKay discussed an idea brought up by Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano in which a team, instead of kicking off, would get the ball at its own 30-yard line in a fourth-and-15 situation. The team then would punt the ball away or, to replace an onside kick, could go for it and, if it failed to get a first down, the opposing squad would start with great field position.

"The fact is, it's a much different end of the play," Goodell said during the meeting, according to Time.

Schiano discussed his idea earlier this season in an ESPN The Magazine story. Schiano, who was the coach at Rutgers in 2010 when Eric LeGrand was paralyzed on a kickoff, has seen first-hand how the play can adversely affect the safety of players.

LeGrand broke two vertebrae and suffered a serious spinal cord injury in October 2010 during a kickoff return against Army. He became an inspiration to his college teammates, eventually being able to stand upright with the help of a metal frame.

Schiano told ESPN The Magazine in September that he believed kickoffs eventually would be eliminated from pro football.

"I believe that day will come," he said. "Unfortunately, it will probably take more players being seriously hurt. But I think there's another way to do this."

The NFL already has been working to make kickoffs safer.

Last season, the NFL moved kickoffs from the 30-yard line to the 35 and required the coverage unit to start within 5 yards of the ball, closing the distance between the teams. Both rules had their desired effects. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, 16.4 percent of kickoffs led to touchbacks in 2010; last year it was 43.5 percent. The NFL found that players suffered 40 percent fewer concussions on kickoffs in 2011, McKay told ESPN The Magazine.

"I see where they are coming from as far as trying to look for different ways to make the sport a little safer," Chicago Bears punter Adam Podlesh said Thursday. "Do I think that is going to make it safer or are kickoffs the worst part of the game right now? I would be skeptical on that right now, especially considering they moved it up to the 35-yard line and you see so many fewer returns now.

"You take a look at the touchback percentages now and that's gone up so much and they got rid of the three-man plus wedge and leaving it to a tandem of two guys that can only come together. Maybe doing something with that or even eliminating the two-man tandem might help a little more."

Schiano's plan, however, would eliminate kickoffs altogether. Goodell admitted to Time magazine that the proposal is "an off-the-wall idea."

"It's different and makes you think differently. It did me," Goodell said.

Bears kicker Robbie Gould said the proposed changes would impact teams' strategies.

"You're talking about starting off a game with a punt, not that there is anything bad about that, but if you have a strategy in getting the ball because you have a really good kick return team, now you are taking that out of the equation," Gould said. "You're talking about a whole different type of football game. You're talking about returners meaning more and less, punters are going to mean more and less, kickers are going to mean more and less.

"So the value of a player is going to go down drastically and the overall game will decrease if they change the kickoff rule to what they are thinking of."

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The future of the NFL is smaller rosters. However, this proposal will not trim them that much because the proposed "kick-off" will now be a punt which means special teams players will still be needed.

Ultimately, to help ensure the safety of its players, the NFL will need to trim the amount of players allowed on the field at one time from 11 to 10 or 9. This will ultimately take more of the hitting out of the game.


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greg schiano is at the forefront of player safety on victory formation plays, stacking 11 guys on top of the center and firing at the knees trying to force desperation fumbles.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
The future of the NFL is smaller rosters, however, this will not trim them that much because the proposed "kick-off" will now be a punt which means special teams players will still be needed.

Ultimately, to help ensure the safety of its players, the NFL will need to trim the amount of players allowed on the field at one time from 11 to 10 or 9. This will ultimately take more of the hitting out of the game.

Lets just put flags on them now. Why wait?

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Roger Goodell is kind of an idiot....

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in his defense, goodell didnt seem like he supported it - but you are right, he does seem to have some idiot in him.


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You realize that all these "safety" changes by the NFL are in response to the lawsuits being filed against the NFL by former players. The players want to be safe but don't like any of the rules. They cannot have it both ways.


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Aren't kickoffs pretty much worthless now anyway? What's the touchback percentage?

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I think Goodell and Schiano have Steph infections of the brain. This is documented proof.

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Aren't kickoffs pretty much worthless now anyway? What's the touchback percentage?


This.

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I have an idea ... let's take a sport making money hands over fists and start introducing douche-level rules each year until, finally, the game begins and ends with the opening coin-flip ... that's a money-maker right there.

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Why not just have kickoffs with fewer players? You know like 6 on 6.

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I don't think this will happen, but I bet in the next 10 years that kickoffs are replaced by punts. Much safer for players. The only problem is that onside kicks won't exist, but onside kicks kind of suck anyways.

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drop the ball from a parachute into the stadium. if it lands in either end zone the game ends as a tie. if it lands on the field, the home team wins. if it lands in the stands, goodell kills a former nfl player of his choosing.

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Football will look entirely different eventually so you might as well get over the hand-wringing. At least make sure when you fuck with it, you get it right.


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They should eliminate the kicking game entirely and play the way we did on the empty lot at the corner of Trumbull and Crain.

One of the dumbest things in sports is the fact that steroidal brutes slam into each other with a fury going up and down a field only to let some twee little former soccer player decide the game.

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I kinda like it.

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If they are really concerned with player safety they should go back to the leather helmets. Then you won't have players leading with their head causing knee injuries and concussions.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
Why not just have kickoffs with fewer players? You know like 6 on 6.

You would literally have at least 10 returns for TDs each game if that happened.

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I was watching the game where Kevin Everett went down. Very innocent looking play and the guy is screwed for life.

I think the 4th and long would make it more fun for a team that is way behind, so if you think about it, it might be good.

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This is the way to eliminate injuries on kickoffs:

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This is the way to eliminate injuries on kickoffs:

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If they wanted less injuries on kickoffs they could allow teams to kick the ball out of bounds without a penalty.

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They should eliminate the kicking game entirely and play the way we did on the empty lot at the corner of Trumbull and Crain.

One of the dumbest things in sports is the fact that steroidal brutes slam into each other with a fury going up and down a field only to let some twee little former soccer player decide the game.

I dont necessarily agree with the commentary in this post, but 100% agree with the premise. Eliminate kicking altogether. Punts, Fg's, and kickoffs. It would be a much more entertaining game, and no more dangerous.

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Farvio, I'm starting to think you've lost your everloving mind.
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Did they test any of those poison gasses on you in Basic or something?


I was half-kidding in my post, but really Darkside, if you think about it without just accepting that that's the way it's always been, doesn't the whole kicking aspect of football sort of seem like some strange oddity that was tacked on to a completely different game?

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