Hawk can you point me towards your post ripping the Trump 2020 NASCAR? Thanks.

Lincoln was very careful to ensure that the defeated southern army were welcomed back into the Union and tended to as brothers, as he never felt they should have separated in the first place. He was very specific about that when giving orders immediately after the surrender when tempers were hot and vengeance was being demanded. These days sympathy, love and tolerance towards fellow countrymen like that would never be accepted.

Yet he had a reconstruction plan being worked out to occupy the South and shove the republican party down their throats by force.

No, but I'm sure that his hypocritical post requesting Michael Kopech to shut up about his decision not to play ball this year is still available for all to see.

So : "The Hypocritical Hawk" - "Shut up Kopech, I don't wanna hear about your decision which my politics don't agree with"

(three days later)

"I want the world to know that I, and bigots like me, are boycotting the NFL for political reasons"

I'm just saying, I don't consider someone a hero for opting out. They're selfishly counting on a meatpacker risking his life so they stay fed.

IT is your opinion that they were traitors. The United States government did not consider them as such. A few were executed for atrocities that they took in battle but the great number of them were simply soldiers doing what they signed up for. I hold them in high regard just like I hold all soldiers that sign up to fight for their country. The Southern soldiers had honor in my estimation. I was a soldier and fought against the Vietnamese . And as much as I hated the SOBs , I thought that they were fighting for their own cause. I didn't think that their cause was right but after the war I respected what they did and why.

This is why all of the crap going on right now with the tearing down these monuments and statues is stupid revisionist crap. Trying to go back into time and second guess what people did through the years and see it through a different set of cultural mores and values is wrong. Examining the past is good but only as a way of going forward, not condemning what happened back then.

Once again, another example of a lying bigoted asshole(this time RR) making up "quotes" that I never said. Another weasel out of the bunch of LTG, Nas, RR, and the faux Deacon. RR likes to skip around sort of like LTG though so now he references a completely different conversation, this relative to the White Sox thread. Interesting that he joins the most illiterate poster on this board, Mac, in his uneducated effort.

I feel the same way. If you are going to opt out then do it but SHUT THE FUCK UP about doing it. First of all people have their own right to think what is true and not true out there especially when it is the fucking government talking as well as other people who have their own personal stake in the matter.

I am not celebrating anyone. What I doing is respecting those who fought for something that they believed. Hell, since you want to press this shit with me. I view the Black Lives Matter crowd as communist traitors and when they and their supporters plant huge signs on public streets , those signs represent real TRAITORS to this country and should be 100% removed. The BLM has manifestoes out that outline their calling for the overthrow of the United States. That is being a traitor to your country plain and simple is it not?

As for why we don't have statues celebrating Vietnamese soldiers, it is the same reason why we don't have statues of Cornwallis and Benedict Arnold. We were, after all, part of England were we not when we revolted?

I am not celebrating anyone. What I doing is respecting those who fought for something that they believed. Hell, since you want to press this shit with me. I view the Black Lives Matter crowd as communist traitors and when they and their supporters plant huge signs on public streets , those signs represent real TRAITORS to this country and should be 100% removed. The BLM has manifestoes out that outline their calling for the overthrow of the United States. That is being a traitor to your country plain and simple is it not?

As for why we don't have statues celebrating Vietnamese soldiers, it is the same reason why we don't have statues of Cornwallis and Benedict Arnold. We were, after all, part of England were we not when we revolted?

Your exact words, pg. 3 in the Kopech thread you addled fiend.

It is amazing to me how obtuse you really are. Now you are talking about statues to Vietnamese soldiers and British soldiers being erected while supporting the clear treasonous message and philosophy of BLM. Amazing bullshit effort.

Aren't they just fighting for their own cause? That's the same as the Confederates.

I'm sure Corwallis and Benedict Arnold were also fighting for their own cause. Why would a statue of Lee be alright but not one of Cornwallis?

I'm not supporting anything. I'm using your own logic against you as to why those people don't get statues but Confederate generals do. They all believe or believed in what they are fighting for.

It is you who are a brain dead liar. The truth is that you MADE UP QUOTES once again that I never said. The second stupidity is that you throw this in and it is meaningless in the discussion at hand about the Black National Anthem and the Civil War. It is YOU, RR, who are addled and reduced to mindless statements in concert with the most mindless on this board, Mac. Sucks being you

Take you own advice for once Stolen Valor and SHUT THE FUCK UP lyin' hypocrite.

It is amazing to me how obtuse you really are. Now you are talking about statues to Vietnamese soldiers and British soldiers being erected while supporting the clear treasonous message and philosophy of BLM. Amazing bullshit effort.

The Cornwallis statue is apt. The colonies were in no way unanimous about independence. Your way of thinking means Benedict Arnold was not a traitor. Just a misguided American.

The Cornwallis statue was not "apt". People do not raise statues for their enemies in 99% of the cases. Raising a statue of Cornwallis or Benedict Arnold is ludicrous and you know it. Citizens raise statues and memorials for their heroes not their enemies and in Arnold's case certainly not a big time traitor.

I am tired of this ridiculous folly. YOu think that the South soldiers were traitors. So be it. I think that they were not traitors but supporters of a cause or causes that they believed in and I find them honorable people. So did the United States government at the end of the Civil War and later. That's good enough for me but go ahead and run these people down as you will.

It's quite a bit more complicated than 21st Century people- many of whom clearly haven't studied the subject- often make it out to be. There is a difference between a bunch of united states and the way we see the United States today. The Civil War is what changed that for good.

I don't think it's presentism to think Robert E Lee was wrong for waging war against this country and more than it is presentism to think that Benedict Arnold or Osama Bin Laden was wrong for similar actions.

I think it is though. You're ignoring that a state was considered more of a sovereign entity than it is today. Had Lee accepted the Union command he would have been a traitor to Virginia. He was going to be a "traitor" either way.

The connection between the states was much more tenuous in 1865 than it is today when we are all united by McDonald's and sending our money to and accepting orders from Washington D.C.

I don't think it's presentism to think Robert E Lee was wrong for waging war against this country and more than it is presentism to think that Benedict Arnold or Osama Bin Laden was wrong for similar actions.