Jared Goff is a capable of anything.

I would be so pissed if I was a Jet's fan. Who has tie break right now?

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Jags.

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Lol Jets. FF supports the win though.

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Cardinals trying to blow it.

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I do. It’s one thing to tank in baseball or basketball. It’s downright immoral to do it in a sport as brutal as football with careers with such short life spans.

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The Jets win and knock themselves out of the 1st draft pick. That's great.

And this Rams team is who you guys think could go in to Green Bay and win in the playoffs?

No.

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I would assume this guy figured they would start like 0-8 then put $100 down for every game after that on a win.

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I hear your position and I'm not trying to mock it here. I think you go the other way here. For me it's a fireable offense to degrade your chances to draft an agreed upon mega star and inject hope and optimism into an organization that's become a laughingstock across the country. If you could go back in time, knowing what you know now, and you're coaching the Bulls in 2003, would you try to win as many games as you could even though doing so put you out of the top 3 in a draft with three/maybe four franchise superstars? Would you win one more meaningless game in 2004 if it changes your draft spot during the Rodgers draft? If lawrence is truly a stud then you go for him imo.

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You play to win the game. You don’t play it for any other reason.

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But what if by losing you win more in aggregate?

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Adam Gase and a lot of the players aren’t gonna be there for that so why would they do something that hurts them but helps them guys that are gonna fire them?

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FF, going back to my 2004 hypothetical, are you winning a meaningless game in week 17 if it means you drop to a lower spot in the Aaron Rodgers draft? Would you make that call right now, knowing what you know now, if we were all transported back to 2004 and you're a decision-maker in GB?

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Whatever fucks over the falcons, I’m all for.

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You don’t know that, though. More times than not, the guy you tank for doesn’t pan out.

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I’m always trying to win every game if I’m a player or coach. Should go without saying. Also it’s likely they would’ve still been able to get Rodgers a couple picks later considering how that draft went

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Right. And if you really want that guy trading up is always on the table. Especially for a guy drafted in the 20’s

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In this scenario, I'm saying we do know Rodgers will be a HOF'er, so I'm interested to see if FF will stick to his principle of always winning the game in front of you. Obviously, I know you can never be sure someone is a guaranteed superstar, unless it's Peyton Manning or maybe Andrew Luck. It seems Lawrence is perceived that way so I think the vast majority of people if they were in the Jets' shoes would want them to lose today's game to have a shot at Lawrence.

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So basically here you are sacrificing Rodgers to win that one game in week 17. I don't agree with you, but at least you have principles you stick to.

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You’re not sacrificing Rodgers for the reasons explained above

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Can't have it both ways though. The scenario is clear: win or lose Rodgers in the draft. Let me make it simpler:

There's a magic potion available today that makes any QB play like a combo of Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning. It's guaranteed to work. There's only one dose and it was administered to Trevor Lawrence. Because of this, there's no doubt Lawrence will rival Mahomes and others as the best QB of this generation. It's a scientific fact.

You're the Jets. It's 10 a.m. on December 20 (today). You own the no 1 pick with three games to go. Lawrence is going to be in this year's draft. If you win today you drop to #2. What are you doing?

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There is no way to really answer this as if you are the Jets. The front office would clearly want the 1st pick and the chance at Lawrence who is thought to be a cant miss prospect. But the players and coach do not give a shit about the 1st pick. They play to win the game. FF is right in that football is a different beast. Players and coaches are not going to go along with any tanking plan.

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The only way the Jets can tank is by not having players active. The GM should of found reasons to get some core players on IR and bring in bums off the street. The coaches are dead men walking and will need to explain their actions in future interviews so they're trying to win. The players are trying to get as much good film out there as they can because with the new regime coming in a lot of them are going to be gone too.

Quinnen Williams is a beast.

I think the fact that you have to make up such outlandish scenarios means I’ve already won this “debate”. Real life football doesn’t work anything close to what you just described - which is exactly why you play to win every game. You probably thought the Dolphins were dumb for “ruining” their tank job last year.

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Why so defensive? I said at the very beginning that I know what your position is and there's no need to mock it. It's perfectly valid to think what you think. By the way, the draft isn't "football". If you won 0 games and everyone else has won at least one game, then you're the no 1 pick. There's no ambiguity. Anyway, sounds like you're not moving from your position which is fine. Agree to disagree.

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I didn’t think my post was defensive at all. Just stating facts. And yes of course the draft is part of football and there’s no magic potion in it.

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Like Mongo said, there are ways to manufacture the kind of outcome you're hoping for. It's underhanded and probably unethical, but it happens. Some key guy here or there is benched or his time is scaled back so you can "look at younger players to see where they fit for next year". Idk, if I'm the FO in NY, there's no fucking way I want to go 1-13 today. For what? I want lawrence. That's just me. You?

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Okay rick.

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No doubt if you are the FO of the Jets you want the 1st pick and Lawrence.

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I don’t get the reference.

I don’t mean this as an insult or to mock either I just think you have a serious misunderstanding of the NFL. I’m sure Joe Douglas didn’t love seeing that win today but that’s just the nature of the NFL, you can’t get players to tank and it’s immoral to ask them to when any given play can end in paralysis.

You want to win every game and if you get the right coaching staff he will install a culture that doesn’t depend on having to get a super prospect to get where you want to go. Brian Flores doesn’t need Trevor Lawrence to win a Super Bowl.

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