Brady and Brees similar?

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You don’t think they are similar in style? What specifically do you disagree with from that perspective? I’m not comparing them win/loss wise. Stylistically I’d say they’re very similar -not very mobile, pocket passer, great touch, great accuracy but neither has a cannon attached to their shoulder that allows for odd arm angles or throwing across their body..


..great pocket passers. Similar in that way.


So, what about that do you disagree with?

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He got the rings because of his ability. I don’t understand trying to disassociate the two

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In baseball terms, and against JORR, I think NME is saying it's not the fault of Manning or Brees or whomever if their defense allowed more points than those QBs scored. In Brady's case, he obviously earned every win, but you also have to acknowledge how the parts of his team that he didn't control also performed well. Maybe Manning or Brees would perform just as capably if they replaced Brady from 2000 -2018. I don't necessarily believe that, just putting it out there.

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Brady has a much stronger arm and was always a smarter player.

And could play outdoors

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Frankly I've grown so tired of Brady in large part due to his als, and the media constantly calling him the GOAT. Imho (& as he himself has said) he's the biggest beneficiary of the rules changes. Let Marino, Staubach, Moon, Elway or Montana play in today's game and Brady is just another doped up guy.

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Brady goes to the Super Bowl at a higher rate than Steph Curry makes 3's. Brady was the only constant on those Patriots teams for 2 decades. When he left, they brought in an MVP quarterback and the team still sucked. He went to a team that had missed the playoffs for a long time and sucked enough to pick 6th in the draft. He won them a Super Bowl his first year.

Teams look and play better because of the Brady Effect. That should be clear by now. He's also the guy that you want with the ball if your life were on the line. Even at 45.

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Bill Belichick’s name is missing here.

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I find it odd that Chiefs fans are shitting on the team after 3 straight trips to the AFC Championship and 2 SB appearances. This is why athletes hate fans. They are never happy.

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Player. Belichick's teams don't look so great without Brady. That defense doesn't look the same.

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To some extent sure, I prefer to look at a ring as a collective tho. He played a role in them winning, but so did other players and coaches. It’s hard for me to give all the credit to one guy for that accomplishment.

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Of all the top organized sports, coaching in football might matter the most. Leaving Bills name out of your comment I quoted is a major error in your statement. NE had a bunch of guys sit out last year due to covid, and this year the Pats are starting a rookie QB. I really don’t think I need to dive into all Bills accomplishments as a coordinator and Head Coach to prove his value, or at least -I hope I don’t.


Brady was a huge part of their success, but so was Belichick. And they were both constants

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This part of your post comes closest to what I’m saying specifically. The rest is a little off. I mean, in the reverse I do not blame Brady for not scoring enough to beat the Eagles. It’s more complicated than that.

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Remind us again about the score of the Patriots LA Rams Super Bowl. Brady was along for the ride. Like he was for the first two, not to mention the ones vs. New York.

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Relax! The context of the post would make it clear to anyone that I was referring to players. I didn't exactly need you to remind me that Belichick was a great. I'm aware of that. He hasn't looked as great without Brady, but Brady has managed to look even better without him.

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And Bill was along for the ride in the 28-3 comeback

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Brady made the winning plays when he had to in EVERY Super Bowl. The ones he lost were when the defense wet the bed with seconds remaining.

Early in Brady's career he made the timely plays when the games were on the line. No doubt Belichick deserves a lot of credit for that. By the Panthers Super Bowl Brady was an equal partner. By Super Bowl 3, he was the man and Belichick was holding him back with mediocre offensive weapons.

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I don’t agree his arm is stronger, both can throw a good deep ball. Brady by design may have more attempts downfield, but eye test/memory wise I’d say they can/do/did make the same throws.


Smarter? Nah, both are as cerebral as it gets before and after the snap. I don’t know what you’re basing this off of but if it’s wins/losses I’ll go ahead and remind you it’s a team sport. They don’t get 100% credit for that. If it’s making the right pass at the right time then I think stats tell that story about as good as it can be told and Brees has stats to back up his side of this argument.


Playing outdoors..? Ok. I’ll concede there. Favre/Rodgers/ and Brady are the best I’ve seen in bad conditions.. so no argument there.

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Brady is better than Brees at everything you stated. He has a stronger arm. He has better touch. He makes better decisions.

Now with that said I am not taking a shot at Brees, as he is REALLY good. He just is not at Brady's level.

It would be like saying Dwayne Wade and MJ are similar. They play the same position and both had a great career, but Jordan is better at everything involved in the game.

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Couldnt disagree more strongly with your first paragraph. I guess thats where our disagreement comes from. Brees’s arm strength was never on par with Brady’s at any point of their careers and that gap widened the last 5 years or so despite Brady being older.

And im basing smarter off the fact that Brady is a better decision maker when throwing and when moving inside the pocket.

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From what I can tell living in Chief land they are shitting on the management and the decisions made on defense and OL.

I saw someone on twitter make a good statement. The Chiefs are like Rocky in Rocky 3. They are training but they are completely distracted by the glitz and glamour of being champ. The Bills, Titans, are like Clubber Lang who are going all out to take out Rocky. It happens when you get good. This will be a good wake up call for them and I expect them to surround Mahomes with a better defense and OL moving forward.

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I dont expect them to. This is the team that took CEH over JT or Swift and Hardman over DK Metcalf, and swung and missed big on Orlando Brown and Thunney. Justin Houston has more sacks than Frank Clark since they gave Clark and his uzi that bag and traded picks for him.

The front office has been a disaster the last three years

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The cap changes/pandemic hurt them more than most. I think CEH not taking off and some unusual errors from Mahomes has made the defense look a little worse. They've lived on Mahomes being dominant every game.

As a fan, I still wouldn't shit on the team. I still wouldn't bet against them. As Bears fans, we would allow 11 kids to be molested by the Blackhawks video guy to have the Chiefs success.

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It is easy to say that from our perspective as Bear fans and our lack of success and a good QB, but you know Bear fans would be upset too no matter how much success the team had. It is just the nature of being fan. You get spoiled by success and want it every year.

The front office has been a dumpster fire for the last while and if they dont get it corrected they are going to waste the best years of Mahomes career

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If your measuring stick for this is wins, losses, rings.. yeah, I get it there isn't an argument. But if we look at the numbers to see how they actually perform at their job stat wise, its closer than you may imagine.




I understand this, and Im not taking it that way. In reverse, I'm not saying Brees is greater thatn Brady -Tom is the GOAT, I'm having fun with the conversation tho. Its interesting to dive into this stuff, its why I even bother to log in and post once in a while on sports forums.





Ok, so we're critiquing analogies here, so allow me to point out why yours is really bad in regards to Jordan Vs Wade, and you trying to claim Brady and Brees are similar oceans apart..


Tom Brady has lead the NFL in passing yards 3 times. Brees has lead the NFL in passing yards 7 times.

Brady has lead the NFL in TD passes 4 times. Brees has also lead the league in passing TD's 4 times.

Brady has lead the NFL in passer rating 2 times, Brees has also lead the NFL in passer rating 2 times.

Brady had lead the NFL in completion % 1 time.. Brees has done in 6 times including an NFL record of 74.4% in 2018.

Brees and Brady are also almost identical for career passer rating.. Brady 97.6 and Brees and 98.7. Their yards per attempt are almost identical too with Brady at 7.5 and Brees at 7.6


Now, compare D Wades numbers to MJ's and I really doubt theyll come close or exceed MJ in pretty much any category, where as, Brees Vs Brady not so much. Brees exceeds or equals Brady in many category's respective to their positions. So, its not at all a terrible or far fetched comparison.

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Would Brady be considered the GOAT if he’d only won 2 SBs? I think it could be argued that 3 were rather fluky. And the last wasn’t really because of him.

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Hes won 7. The last one he scored 31 points in. If you dont want to give him credit for the one he won 13-3 then give him credit for the one he lost 41-33 and threw for 500 yards 3 TDs and no picks in.

But i agree if he won four less super bowls, which would leave him with a paltry total of three, he would have less of a stranglehold on the title

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Would he be considered the GOAT if he hadn't won any? How many Super Bowls should we take away from Brady to level the playing field? Should we dismiss his play after 39? Should we only focus on the years he didn't go to the Super Bowl? Will we do the same for Joe Montana? Peyton Manning? Any other losers from the past?

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Are we allowing for no other changes (statistically specifically).. simply removing the SB wins and leaving him with 2?


If so, he’s still in the conversation for me personally because -as I’ve stated earlier- I don’t attribute rings/titles in a team sport (especially football) with one guy. Tho, I think we do have to acknowledge and establish that in all of organized sport the single most import position is most certainly QB


So yeah, for me, I’m still keeping him in the conversation of GOAT even with titles removed. I mean, I’m willing to consider Rodgers because he’s that impressive at the position. So it’s obviously not just based on titles for me personally.

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