Depends on what you mean by hype. He was a stud by at least his second year. He put Indy back on the map. He became so adept at the two minute drill that he made irrelevant the position of offensive coordinator on two different teams. He knows where to go with the ball all the time, and he has or had pin point precision on each throw. I don't know what more you could ask of a first pick first round draft pack other than to task him with becoming one of the best QBs in NFL history, and one of the greatest players ever in team sports. He's done both and is still inexplicably setting records at age 37 despite coaches having seventeen years of tape to study his tendencies.

Like Leash said hate all you want, but there is no way a guy with his resume is overrated, so I disagree on that front with you and 312 player.

As much as I've tried to defend Manning in this thread - and he hardly needs defending - I'm one of those who believes the winter weather bothers him at this age. I bet Denver runs a lot, if they're not down first.

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I just don't know how he is "overloved." The dude, statistically, is the most prolific passer in NFL history. Yes, that is regular season only and, yes, he has played in a pass-happy era. It's still extremely impressive.

Here is the most important stat to me: the last time he didn't make the playoffs while playing a full season was 2001! He literally makes the playoffs every year. I would take those chances with a QB every year. Just get me in and see what happens.

Once in the playoffs, which is undoubtedly stiffer competition than regular season, he still has a rating of 88.6. Tom Brady's playoff rating? 87.2.

Brady has also had a better coach and a better organization around him. I'm not saying Brady doesn't deserve the credit he gets; I'm just saying the criticism of Manning is a little much. The dude has won 1 Super Bowl, appeared in 2, and has made the playoffs every year of his career (basically), which is absolutely amazing in today's NFL. After this year, he may end up with another ring.

Oh, I should also mention that he is on his way to his FIFTH MVP.

He has a Cutler like rating I'm the playoffs. Meaning it looks better than he has played. He has clearly been awful in the playoffs. The rare exception being the year they lost to the Saints. Look at his record. Look at his stats. He comes up small when it matters most.

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There is no denying he is a great QB but he did very little to help them win his only SB. Regardless of what happens he'll be in the top 5 but Brady will be ahead of him.

Brady after 2005 hasn't exactly lit the playoffs on fire either.

Just when you post there can be no argument, along comes Brick.

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If Manning wins his second(and he will) I think he overtakes Brady. Brady lives off his early reputation.

Context is very important. There was ONLY 1 season that Brady had the offensive talent around him that was comparable to what Manning has had his entire career. The only game they lost was in the Super Bowl that season. The fact that Brady is in the AFC title game is truly amazing. That's a really mediocre to bad team around him. He's elevated the play of ALL of these guys. Regardless of what Manning does with his All Pro offense today it won't put him ahead of Brady.

Manning showed up in Denver and they became one of the greatest offenses of all time.

I think Manning elevates the talent around him pretty well too considering he's never in his career had teams that weren't insanely talented. He becomes the common denominator.

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And if Manning wins it all, he will have taken the worst offense in football with Tebow and broken every passing record in the league and won the Super Bowl. Not too shabby.

Surely this isn't the same offense though, right? I mean, at the very least, Tebow didn't have Welker.

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And if Manning wins it all, he will have taken the worst offense in football with Tebow and broken every passing record in the league and won the Super Bowl. Not too shabby.

It's not, I agree. But there is no other QB in the league that makes all of them that good, immediately, IMO.

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So in one thread people are saying this Broncos team is more stacked than the greatest show on turf...in this thread we have someone saying (I think) it's a mediocre offense made great by one guy.

I understand differing opinions but that's quite the disconnect in evaluation there.

So in one thread people are saying this Broncos team is more stacked than the greatest show on turf...in this thread we have someone saying (I think) it's a mediocre offense made great by one guy.

I understand differing opinions but that's quite the disconnect in evaluation there.

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Sorry... I must have missed them collectively scoring 54 passing touchdowns previously.