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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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one was at the 28, first one, 2nd one at the 30, so 45 and 47?

The issue was the same we were talking about up thread when Andy Reid went for it with a lead and didn't get the 4th down conversion. Going for it and not making it gives the opponent in a playoff game where you're winning with relative ease a much needed boost and momentum changer--and the boost for the opponent in stopping you on 4th down and getting the ball back > what you get going for it and making it in those situations today.

It's the playoffs, one and done. You're not playing the odds over a 17 game season with 3 or 4 dozen or more 4th down decisions.


kick the FG when you're winning like Chiefs/Lions were and you keep the momentum on your side and tack on some points.

go for it and don't get it, and that team that's been getting beat all game suddenly has a fulcrum point from which to launch a comeback--which Ravens tried and failed due to turnovers. But that's exactly what SF did after the TO-on-downs in the 3rd: they stopped Detroit, got a TD and then Detroit got rattled and couldn't even complete a simple hand-off to start off a drive. It all keyed off the initial failed 4th down attempt.


If you go for it and get it, what do you get? Nothing. Well, you get to keep the ball. But odds are you're going to end up with 3 points anyhow. If it's 4th and goal from the 1, yeah, go for it and you get a TD or get stopped. But out at the 28 or 30 yard line? You make that 4th down conversion instead of taking the 3, congratulations: you're mostly likely going to end up scoring 3 points anyhow.

It's situational. Playoffs are different. Assume that's a coach's job to take the temperature of the situation and adjust accordingly--not to just blindly follow analytics but make decisions that keep his team's momentum going while keeping a foot on the neck of the opponent.


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Going for it on 4th and not making it came up in both games yesterday, posted that late last night...professional pro football talkers saying it better this AM:

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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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one was at the 28, first one, 2nd one at the 30, so 45 and 47?

The issue was the same we were talking about up thread when Andy Reid went for it with a lead and didn't get the 4th down conversion. Going for it and not making it gives the opponent in a playoff game where you're winning with relative ease a much needed boost and momentum changer--and the boost for the opponent in stopping you on 4th down and getting the ball back > what you get going for it and making it in those situations today.

It's the playoffs, one and done. You're not playing the odds over a 17 game season with 3 or 4 dozen or more 4th down decisions.


kick the FG when you're winning like Chiefs/Lions were and you keep the momentum on your side and tack on some points.

go for it and don't get it, and that team that's been getting beat all game suddenly has a fulcrum point from which to launch a comeback--which Ravens tried and failed due to turnovers. But that's exactly what SF did after the TO-on-downs in the 3rd: they stopped Detroit, got a TD and then Detroit got rattled and couldn't even complete a simple hand-off to start off a drive. It all keyed off the initial failed 4th down attempt.


If you go for it and get it, what do you get? Nothing. Well, you get to keep the ball. But odds are you're going to end up with 3 points anyhow. If it's 4th and goal from the 1, yeah, go for it and you get a TD or get stopped. But out at the 28 or 30 yard line? You make that 4th down conversion instead of taking the 3, congratulations: you're mostly likely going to end up scoring 3 points anyhow.

It's situational. Playoffs are different. Assume that's a coach's job to take the temperature of the situation and adjust accordingly--not to just blindly follow analytics but make decisions that keep his team's momentum going while keeping a foot on the neck of the opponent.


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Going for it on 4th and not making it came up in both games yesterday, posted that late last night...professional pro football talkers saying it better this AM:

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Bob isn't capable of reading more than 2 sentences really, a tweet is challenging his limits


If you can't convey it in 2 sentences or less, is it really that important?
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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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I’d love to see Stafford and McVay beat Detroit. Dan Campbell’s a dumbass. Many people would have called out some of the in-game coaching decisions this year if it were Brandon Staley but because Campbell is a ra-ra-ra football guy, it’s ignored.


I'm sick of the aggression gimmick. His CTE must have hit him mid-game as he had no problem taking a FG at the end of the first half.
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I’d love to see Stafford and McVay beat Detroit. Dan Campbell’s a dumbass. Many people would have called out some of the in-game coaching decisions this year if it were Brandon Staley but because Campbell is a ra-ra-ra football guy, it’s ignored.


I'm sick of the aggression gimmick. His CTE must have hit him mid-game as he had no problem taking a FG at the end of the first half.


he DID have a problem taking the FG at the end of the half. it pained him to kick that FG. he spent a lot of time trying to talk himself in to going for it. that was captured on tv i thought and by sideline reporter after half was over
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He's waiting for the Bears job to open

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He's waiting for the Bears job to open

They should consider opening it tomorrow.

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He is taking quite the gamble. If the Lions offense goes to shit next year he may not have the same opportunities.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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somebody in a front office wanted Belichick > Ben Johnson? Only 2 openings left, Seachickens and Redskins
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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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I don’t understand how Vrabel doesn’t have a job

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I don’t understand how Vrabel doesn’t have a job

I wonder if he is tough to get along with, I know players love him but I wonder about he and the front office.

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I don’t understand how Vrabel doesn’t have a job

I wonder if he is tough to get along with, I know players love him but I wonder about he and the front office.


There is a former player saying similar stuff about vrabel on local radio. If you Google it I'm sure you'll find it. He basically says Vrabel was a self promoter among other things and it rubbed players the wrong way.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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I don’t understand how Vrabel doesn’t have a job

I wonder if he is tough to get along with, I know players love him but I wonder about he and the front office.


There is a former player saying similar stuff about vrabel on local radio. If you Google it I'm sure you'll find it. He basically says Vrabel was a self promoter among other things and it rubbed players the wrong way.

I was under the impression that players loved him, I know Taylor Lewan was a big fan, Will Compton also, but something isn’t right.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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What’s Keyshawn have to say about the Vrabel situation?

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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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Washington probably pulled the offer. There’s no way Johnson passes up that situation if available.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024 Playoffs
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Currently watching Senior Bowl practice, I might be addicted.

What crappy defender from Georgia do you see the Packers drafting?
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Currently watching Senior Bowl practice, I might be addicted.

What crappy defender from Georgia do you see the Packers drafting?

Not sure yet, but other than Stokes I am good with the other 2 so far. Room to improve yes. What shitty player will your Bears team draft?

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Currently watching Senior Bowl practice, I might be addicted.

What crappy defender from Georgia do you see the Packers drafting?

Not sure yet, but other than Stokes I am good with the other 2 so far. Room to improve yes. What shitty player will your Bears team draft?

Ask Keyshawn
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Keyshawn has assumed a vital role around these parts lately.

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The Warshington job sucks


heard they're tanking 2024 for Cooper Flagg
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Maybe Keyshawn can teach a CTU classroom since a certain teacher is on here 24/7 spewing his anti Semitic garbage
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Washington probably pulled the offer. There’s no way Johnson passes up that situation if available.


Why not? I suspect he's hoping for a better landing spot next year. He's got to know that you're fired if your QB sucks and maybe he didn't want to take a chance with a rookie QB in Washington and/or Howell. The QB situation in Seattle is not attractive either. Perhaps Reid retires next year, or buffalo wants to move on from McDermott.

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So Jerry isn’t going to extend Dak either, interesting but I agree with it.

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He is taking quite the gamble. If the Lions offense goes to shit next year he may not have the same opportunities.


Yeah I get betting on yourself, but I don’t think he’ll ever be hotter than he is now. Plus it’s pretty weak to turn down a HC job. He spends time interviewing for jobs he’s not going to take in the lead up to the most important games of his life when he could have been diagramming better 4th down plays than runs with WRs lead blocking. Seems mentally soft, definitely not the kneecap biting mentality he needs to have to succeed in Detroit.
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I go the other way - you don't want to marry a T.rubisky, see T.rubisky fail, then be perceived as the guy who sucked because your QB didn't get it done. Harbaugh did it right because he married the anti Tr.ubisky. I hope/suspect Johnson is doing the same.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
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Currently watching Senior Bowl practice, I might be addicted.

What crappy defender from Georgia do you see the Packers drafting?

Not sure yet, but other than Stokes I am good with the other 2 so far. Room to improve yes. What shitty player will your Bears team draft?


really?

low expectations

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Vrabel possibly waiting for the KC or Dallas jobs. Andy Reid wins his 3rd SB, does he Bill Walsh it and leave rings on the table? For another coach to happen along and pick up in his place.

Mahomes cap hit jumps from $37 mil to $57 mil for 2024 season.
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good dolphin wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
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Hawg Ass wrote:
Currently watching Senior Bowl practice, I might be addicted.

What crappy defender from Georgia do you see the Packers drafting?

Not sure yet, but other than Stokes I am good with the other 2 so far. Room to improve yes. What shitty player will your Bears team draft?


really?

low expectations

Helped get us to the playoffs but being a Bears fan I know you don’t understand that.

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