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Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:13 pm ]
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Mike McCarthy finally learned to go for it on 4th and 1! I guess you can teach an old dipshit new tricks.
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:52 pm ]
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McCarthy is in fact still doing McCarthy things for Green Bay today.

1-6-JAC 6(14:12) (Shotgun) E.Lacy up the middle to JAC 3 for 3 yards (J.Cyprien).
2-3-JAC 3(13:31) E.Lacy up the middle to JAC 2 for 1 yard (J.Cyprien).
3-2-JAC 2(12:47) (Shotgun) J.Starks up the middle to JAC 2 for no gain (J.Odrick; D.Fowler).
4-2-JAC 2(12:04) M.Crosby 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-J.Schum.
Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:53 pm ]
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That 3rd down play was a pass that Rodgers audibled out of....only problem was that the line didn't pay attention and pass blocked.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:20 pm ]
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ZephMarshack wrote:
McCarthy is in fact still doing McCarthy things for Green Bay today.

1-6-JAC 6(14:12) (Shotgun) E.Lacy up the middle to JAC 3 for 3 yards (J.Cyprien).
2-3-JAC 3(13:31) E.Lacy up the middle to JAC 2 for 1 yard (J.Cyprien).
3-2-JAC 2(12:47) (Shotgun) J.Starks up the middle to JAC 2 for no gain (J.Odrick; D.Fowler).
4-2-JAC 2(12:04) M.Crosby 20 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-J.Schum.

:lol:

Yeah. He sucks. Oh well.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:22 pm ]
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Jack Del Rio with a ballsy move :shock:
Author:  chaspoppcap [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:22 pm ]
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They should have made the game of the week Washington vs Giants
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:25 pm ]
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chaspoppcap wrote:
They should have made the game of the week Washington vs Giants

Why?
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:32 pm ]
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Everything is McCarthy's fault

Never blame the guy upstairs. :roll:
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:38 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Everything is McCarthy's fault

Never blame the guy upstairs. :roll:

Strawman, no one said that. You can criticize TT and McCarthy. Not a mutually exclusive thing.
Author:  chaspoppcap [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:39 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
They should have made the game of the week Washington vs Giants

Why?


15 anver of 9/11 planes hit pentagon and twin towers.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:49 pm ]
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chaspoppcap wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
They should have made the game of the week Washington vs Giants

Why?


15 anver of 9/11 planes hit pentagon and twin towers.

Jesus man. Aren't you done jacking off to a terrorist attack yet?
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:51 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Everything is McCarthy's fault

Never blame the guy upstairs. :roll:

Strawman, no one said that. You can criticize TT and McCarthy. Not a mutually exclusive thing.

The decisions by Thompson directly impact a lot of McCarthy's coaching decisions. Yet McCarthy gets all the shit.

I don't like McCarthy's in game decision-making but he's literally no different than the 30 coaches excluding Arians and Belicheck. He at least does a great job putting up with Ted's dumbassery.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:55 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Everything is McCarthy's fault

Never blame the guy upstairs. :roll:

Strawman, no one said that. You can criticize TT and McCarthy. Not a mutually exclusive thing.

The decisions by Thompson directly impact a lot of McCarthy's coaching decisions. Yet McCarthy gets all the shit.

I don't like McCarthy's in game decision-making but he's literally no different than the 30 coaches excluding Arians and Belicheck. He at least does a great job putting up with Ted's dumbassery.

This is just dumb. He's clearly significantly worse than both Arians and Belichick, and probably half of the rest of the league. He's a TERRIBLE game day coach.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:55 pm ]
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You don't watch football then.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:56 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
You don't watch football then.

We've been over this and every January I get proven right. I don't know why you do it to yourself.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:02 pm ]
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You can blame Mike McCarthy all you want. I'll place the blame on the real culprit who cuts Pro Bowlers a week before the season starts and hasn't had a meaningful investment in free agency since Charles Woodson (No, old assJulius Peppers doesn't count).

Talent wins in the NFL.
Author:  Tad Queasy [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:06 pm ]
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Entertaining ending to the Packers/Jaguars game.

The Jaguars helmets are terrible. When they were introduced they said it represented a Jaguar emerging from the shadows, but if that were the case they got the colors backwards. If it were all gold it would look good (the logo is good).

Dak Prescott looked pretty good in the first quarter.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:15 pm ]
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Look, FF, I get it. Instead of looking big picture at how McCarthy takes Thompson shit ass roster and competes with the Cardinals/Seahawks/Vikings it's easier to jerk it with Barnwell at how he punts on 4th down or doesn't go for 2.

When the GM's pissy refusal to roster credible ILBs in a 3-4 forces you to use your best pass-rusher inside then I'm going to cut you a break.

He's not the best but he deals with a lot of shit having to gameplan with the rotten garbage Thompson forces upon him every year.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:24 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Look, FF, I get it. Instead of looking big picture at how McCarthy takes Thompson shit ass roster and competes with the Cardinals/Seahawks/Vikings it's easier to jerk it with Barnwell at how he punts on 4th down or doesn't go for 2.

When the GM's pissy refusal to roster credible ILBs in a 3-4 forces you to use your best pass-rusher inside then I'm going to cut you a break.

He's not the best but he deals with a lot of shit having to gameplan with the rotten garbage Thompson forces upon him every year.

It's not worth continuing this back and forth. You're insane to call them a shit roster. Any average to below average coach(Jack Del Rio or something) could have had the same success with this roster the past 5 years. He routinely fucks up late game and close yard situations. Everyone who actually watches and knows what they are looking at sees this. Not sure if you're related to McCarthy or what, but your defense of him is always bizarre and incoherent.
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:43 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Look, FF, I get it. Instead of looking big picture at how McCarthy takes Thompson shit ass roster and competes with the Cardinals/Seahawks/Vikings it's easier to jerk it with Barnwell at how he punts on 4th down or doesn't go for 2.

When the GM's pissy refusal to roster credible ILBs in a 3-4 forces you to use your best pass-rusher inside then I'm going to cut you a break.

He's not the best but he deals with a lot of shit having to gameplan with the rotten garbage Thompson forces upon him every year.

I know I too am classified as a hater but I would never deny that coaches can have value outside of in-game decisionmaking and I doubt FF would either. Lovie was pretty bad when it came to those things too but during his heyday he'd have his players ready to run through brick walls for him. McCarthy's track record before he went to Green Bay demonstrates he's one of the very best at getting max potential out of quarterbacks and he obviously deserves lots of credit for Rodgers' development as well.

And I'd go further and add that I agree that general in-game decisionmaking does get overblown often by internet fans, as it's one of the few areas where people can feel superior to the coaches actually on the field. A lot of the nuts and bolts of coaching remains alien, but hey, I can call this coach a dumbass because he didn't do what the Fourth Down Bot advised! I don't even like Barnwell that much and think that much of the time he writes with an unwarranted smugness about things football and non-football related, even if I do agree with him about McCarthy.

That being said, I don't understand why you're so defensive of what you admit are his in-game flaws. Yes, the vast majority of NFL coaches are extremely risk averse, but that doesn't just mean McCarthy's just one of many in the pack outside of Belichick and Arians (and I'd say a few others belong in that class as well). For one thing, his basic explanations to try to justify his poor decisions always show an astounding lack of logic, such as trying to hit particular rushing attempt numbers regardless of success just because winning teams often hit those numbers. This is seriously the equivalent of saying "I don't want to go to the hospital to treat my condition because there's a high correlation between being in the hospital and dying."

Beyond this though, I think the credit you're attributing to McCarthy in spite of Thompson is more accurately given to Rodgers in spite of both of them. He's been the best quarterback if not the best player in the league for the last 5 years. Yet time and time again McCarthy takes the ball out of his hands on the offensive end in key situations. This amplifies the effects of his in-game decisionmaking and makes the harms from it far worse than some coach of a team going nowhere anyway blowing a timeout or a challenge.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:29 pm ]
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This Seattle game has to be the least entertaining game in history(excluding all Browns games of course)
Author:  Furious Styles [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:08 pm ]
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RAIDERS!
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:14 pm ]
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I believe Monday - Saturday and May - August lays the foundation for Sundays. McCarthy is an above average coach there. No other franchises forces their coaching staff to develop their roster.

McCarthy has his faults but I think the larger blame lies on Teddy. Packer fans are too busy bitching about what they see on Sunday rather than the main culprit.

I'm not defensive about his flaws. I disagree with his in-game management. But I've come to peace that's him. I don't mind if he gets replaced but he far from the main issue as to why the Packers haven't won another Super Bowl .
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:25 pm ]
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Wow. That Cowboys WR! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:26 pm ]
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Wow. Huge brain fart by the Cowboys receiver there
Author:  ZephMarshack [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:28 pm ]
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Buck sounds so morose about that outcome :lol:
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:30 pm ]
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Crazy how for years now the Colts go down 21-3 every single damn week just to comeback and make it a crazy game.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:31 pm ]
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Caldwell special is gonna happen. And not really his fault.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:35 pm ]
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:lol: I forgot Caldwell didn't get fired. Man, I feel bad for Chus. That's one guy that is undeniably worse than McCarthy.
Author:  FavreFan [ Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:39 pm ]
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And there it is. Classic Lions
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