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| Author: | newper [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Hester "changed the game" |
Just an informal poll, because I am interested based on what I have read lately from some stuff elsewhere... pick as many as you think apply... A) The NFL changed the rules on kickoffs based upon how dominant Hester was B) The NFL changed the rules on kickoffs based upon an increased focus on safety issues in the league C) Other teams changed the way they approached kickoffs and punts based on Hester being the returner D) Hester changed games in his ability to return kickoffs and punts for TDs or big yardage E) Other: Please describe |
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| Author: | Cashman [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
IMO, I think it had everything to do with a franchise tag. Guys that did returns, usually were not at the top of their game at the position they played. I doubt the NFL would of wanted a guy that had 400 yards receiving every year, making top 5 money at the WR position. |
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| Author: | ToxicMasculinity [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Little bit of A and B. More A than B. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Kickoffs were a relatively exciting play. getting rid of them was idiotic. but that's the NFL. I suspect it was more B - "let's pretend we're concerned" |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
It’s 100% B. Hester was sensation for a couple years and then just a normal above average returner. Why would they change the rules for one player whose career would max out 8–10 years? |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
There is no doubt teams changed their approach to special teams when playing the Bears while Hester was present. They didn't change the approach for every team. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Kirkwood is right, Hester was the best returner in history but not by much. Mel Gray and Cribbs and Deion were a Caller Bobs hair behind him. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:18 am ] |
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Kirkwood wrote: It’s 100% B. Hester was sensation for a couple years and then just a normal above average returner. Why would they change the rules for one player whose career would max out 8–10 years? I agree, it was B. |
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| Author: | Douchebag [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:20 am ] |
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E: Roger Goodell is a retard. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Douchebag wrote: E: Roger Goodell is a retard. That's always the answer. B, C, & D for me, with C being inarguable. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
B and only B |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
GoldenJet wrote: B and only B this, rule changes meant to make it seem like the league cares about player safety.... had nothing to do with hester |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
billypootons wrote: GoldenJet wrote: B and only B this, rule changes meant to make it seem like the league cares about player safety.... had nothing to do with hester Hester and his skillset were about to get phased out of the league. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
C+D are both true as well. Hester was transcendent as a returner for the Bears. I wonder how much credit for his success could be attributed to Dave Toub? 5%? 10%? He'd still be awesome on another team but does he become a HOFer without Toub/Lovie? |
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| Author: | Drake LaRrieta [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Hester deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He probably has 5 or 6 more return TDs if Angelo doesn't try to make him a receiver. The Bears' offensive ineptitude was a shame because Hester could set up a good offensive team up to score every time because of the field position he was able to get for the Bears. I realize the Bears didn't beat the Colts, but the Hester return TD in the Super Bowl has to be the most exciting play ever for the Bears. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Drake LaRrieta wrote: Hester deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He probably has 5 or 6 more return TDs if Angelo doesn't try to make him a receiver. The Bears' offensive ineptitude was a shame because Hester could set up a good offensive team up to score every time because of the field position he was able to get for the Bears. I realize the Bears didn't beat the Colts, but the Hester return TD in the Super Bowl has to be the most exciting play ever for the Bears. Terry Shea Gary Crowton Mike Tice |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Kirkwood wrote: C+D are both true as well. Hester was transcendent as a returner for the Bears. I wonder how much credit for his success could be attributed to Dave Toub? 5%? 10%? He'd still be awesome on another team but does he become a HOFer without Toub/Lovie? Toub definitely devised some plays that benefitted Hester. It was symbiotic. I wouldn't go as low as 10% for Toub but not as high as 50% either |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:46 pm ] |
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Go look at Hester's college highlights...Toub didn't do dick. |
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| Author: | whistler [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:44 pm ] |
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F - None of the above. Hester didn't do shit. He was a good player for a while that maybe changed how teams prepared for the Bears, but he didnt change the game. Rules changes such as starting on the 25 instead of the 20 are usually made to increase offense. And by the way, after he left the Bears, he flamed out pretty quickly. |
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| Author: | GoldenJet [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
whistler wrote: F - None of the above. Hester didn't do shit. He was a good player for a while that maybe changed how teams prepared for the Bears, but he didnt change the game. Rules changes such as starting on the 25 instead of the 20 are usually made to increase offense. And by the way, after he left the Bears, he flamed out pretty quickly. Great take! |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:06 pm ] |
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whistler wrote: F - None of the above. Hester didn't do shit. He was a good player for a while that maybe changed how teams prepared for the Bears, but he didnt change the game. Rules changes such as starting on the 25 instead of the 20 are usually made to increase offense. And by the way, after he left the Bears, he flamed out pretty quickly. Wouldn't that be D? |
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| Author: | newper [ Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
Don Tiny wrote: B, C, & D for me, with C being inarguable. That's where I'm at as well. I also agree with some that are saying he had only a few years of being an unbelievable returner and then several years of being a very good returner. Him "changing the way the game is played" argument doesn't hold water -- he changed the way his games were played, but there's been no ongoing type of change based on anything he did. Kirkwood wrote: Why would they change the rules for one player whose career would max out 8–10 years? Completely agree.
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| Author: | IMU [ Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:26 am ] |
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BCD |
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| Author: | TurdFerguson [ Sat Dec 22, 2018 11:01 am ] |
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Abcde wrote: My mom sucks
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| Author: | whistler [ Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:19 pm ] |
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TurdFerguson wrote: Abcde wrote: My mom sucks
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hester "changed the game" |
GoldenJet wrote: Go look at Hester's college highlights...Toub didn't do dick. Take a look at bear ( and every other team he has worked for) special teams stats pre and post touch then compare them to when he was present. He is probably the finest st coach in the league. Anecdotally there were plenty of times a specifically designed play sprang Hester. |
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