QB rushing yards, now THATS where its at.

QB rushing yards, now THATS where its at.

By the same logic all stats are misleading. He had 2 touchdowns and 1 interception which also isn't terrible most of the time but the two touchdowns also came after they were down 24-0.

Traditional NFL stats often act like funhouse mirrors –- making a quarterback’s performance look like something it isn’t.

For example, take a look at these stat lines from the 2015 NFC wild-card game between the Green Bay Packers and Washington Redskins:

Aaron Rodgers: 21 of 36 passing, 210 yards, 2 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 93.5 passer rating.

Kirk Cousins: 29 of 46, 329 yards, 1 touchdown, 0 interceptions, 91.7 passer rating.

If you asked 100 random people in a “Pepsi-Coke”-type challenge which quarterback had the better game based on these stats, chances are Cousins would win in a landslide. But any objective observer who watched this game would acknowledge that Rodgers was the better quarterback in Green Bay’s 35-18 win.

Traditional box score stats distort the performances of Rodgers and Cousins in this game because they (1) fail to account for all of the ways a quarterback can affect a game, (2) don’t put plays into the proper context (a 5-yard gain on second-and-5 is very different from a 5-yard gain on third-and-10), and 3) don’t acknowledge that a quarterback has teammates who affect each play and should also get credit for everything that happens on the field.

Not necessarily - it's about weighing stats based on situational context. I think QBR takes most of that into account:



https://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/pos ... ack-rating

Brady's QBR last night was a lowly 24.1 - that's a better reflection of his subpar play than just letting the passing yards wow you.

That's a bit of an oversimplification but I also don't know your position on stats in general.

My position is traditional stats like Passer Rating, Yards, etc., are meaningless without context. I do care about an end zone INT, for example, more than a hail mary INT with 1 second left at the end of the half. The QB should basically not be penalized for the latter. The more game context is taken into account the better imo. Fields is interesting in this regard: when you get deeper QBR treats him very, very fairly: exceptional EPA on runs, horrific EPA on pass. It's a more holistic conversation than just reading the surface level conventional stats.

QBR is exactly what I described though so it's going to work best in blowouts where the player who is losing puts up stats while down by a lot. My guess is that with QBR he got almost no credit for either of those touchdowns.

Small sample sizes can lie but passing yards, just like any stat, can be valuable in context with other stats. Brady's completion percentage was bad and his team also got blown out.
For a game they can lie. For a season they often don't even passing yards. It's not like over a 16 or 17 game season that a player throws for a ton of garbage yards at a rate higher than most other quarterbacks. I'll take the guy who throws for 4,500 in a season over the guy who throws for 3,000 in a season in a similar amount of games and most of the time I'll be right.

I agree on sample size mattering but season stats I think are a different question. I also think your 4,500 vs 3,000 example still glosses over QBs who have less passing yards because they also gain ground yards. Josh Allen and Hurts are examples here. QBR will capture the air and ground value both add while passsing yards won't. Allen for example ranks 7th in pass yards behind Goff and is effectively tied with Geno Smith. However, if you add his 760+ rush yards, he vaults to second overall in total yards for a QB. This aligns with his QBR ranking - second overall - which is a better indicator of his QB performance than taking a look at his 7th ranking in passing yards.

Smith would be better than Allen in 2022 due to hypothetically more passing yards?

I still don't understand though. I don't know why passing yards count more than rushing yards when simply judging performance. The only conventional stat is close is yards passed - Allen gained more overall yards and also scored more TDs overall. I'm not saying Smith sucked - he's a top 8 QB per QBR, but I don't think saying their production is similar just because of passing yards is a strong argument. That's again just reducing the whole performance analysis to yards passed which doesn't work.

one glance at the 60+ attempts and the yardage becomes unimpressive

I'm impressed that a 70 year old quarterback was able to throw the ball 60 times because the Buccaneers didn't have a running game.

Is Mike Evans and Todd Bowles aware the game ended?

Brady has used his quick hitters to backs and slot receivers as a run game for years..it's only a problem now because he's jumpy in the pocket and m8ssing Godwin,Evans and Jones.