As Brick likes to refer to it, the draft where the Bears drafted a QB who went on to have a slightly above average season for one year before becoming a journeyman backup for the rest of his career.
What's up, Brick
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Why do the 49ers get a pass for not drafting Mahomes over Thomas? |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:20 am ] |
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It gets back to revisionism. According to most/many/all scouting intelligence at the time, he wasn't worth a no 1 pick. Or no 2. Or no 3. And so on. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Why do the Browns get a pass for passing on Mahomes? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Even the Chiefs didn't know how good he was. That's why they let 10 other teams possibly take him first including the team they traded with. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Caller Bob wrote: Why do the Browns get a pass for passing on Mahomes? At least they drafted a HoF quality player. |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:39 am ] |
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Brick wrote: Even the Chiefs didn't know how good he was. Nagy knew. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Passing on the kid is one thing but the really telling story is how the Philly GM called Andy Reid in the run up to the draft and got encouraged to go after Jalen Hurts since Kansas City clearly didn’t need a quarterback. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
What's telling? If hurts went to kc he might have a ring by now. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:35 pm ] |
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IkeSouth wrote: What's telling? If hurts went to kc he might have a ring by now. Mahomes would have won by 60 if they swapped rosters. He lost his best receiver and played on one leg. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
IkeSouth wrote: What's telling? If hurts went to kc he might have a ring by now. It’s telling that Reid and Brett Veach can spot quarterback talent beyond 1/1 perhaps better than the rest of the clowns in the NFL. |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
I don't want to talk about the Patrick Mahomes draft |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
As Brick likes to refer to it, the draft where the Bears drafted a QB who went on to have a slightly above average season for one year before becoming a journeyman backup for the rest of his career. What's up, Brick
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| Author: | Bagels [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
KDdidit wrote: I don't want to talk about the Patrick Mahomes draft GOAT draft |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:12 pm ] |
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Nas wrote: IkeSouth wrote: What's telling? If hurts went to kc he might have a ring by now. Mahomes would have won by 60 if they swapped rosters. He lost his best receiver and played on one leg. Lmao I saw two very competent teams. Mahomes is a smart player, but also how bad was his injury really? He busted off a 30yd run and his leg was still attached and he kept playing. |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:12 pm ] |
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KDdidit wrote: I don't want to talk about the Patrick Mahomes draft Bears passed on Tom Brady too |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
veganfan21 wrote: As Brick likes to refer to it, the draft where the Bears drafted a QB who went on to have a slightly above average season for one year before becoming a journeyman backup for the rest of his career. What's up, Brick Imagine how badly Nagy would have broken Mahomes. We'd then be saying "WHY DIDN'T WE DRAFT (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky!". |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:31 pm ] |
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It's interesting to think of Mahomes in Chicago - would he shine or would we corrupt him forever. But the Nagy being the root cause of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's failures narrative loses credence each year (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn't start. The league has spoken and in a way Nagy was right about him. Truthfully, and it sucks to admit it, Nagy was also right about Fields (so far). |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
veganfan21 wrote: It's interesting to think of Mahomes in Chicago - would he shine or would we corrupt him forever. But the Nagy being the root cause of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's failures narrative loses credence each year (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn't start. The league has spoken and in a way Nagy was right about him. Truthfully, and it sucks to admit it, Nagy was also right about Fields (so far). There aren't many that revitalize careers after the first stop fails. Maybe you become Alex Smith or Ryan Fitzpatrick but that can take time. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
I think Alex Smith is a different case, no? He remained a competent game manager type QB for most of his career iirc. The one person that comes to mind is Tannehill. But since there are so few examples I'd say that just reinforces the correct call the original teams made on these guys, that they weren't stars or game changers or anything like that. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
veganfan21 wrote: I think Alex Smith is a different case, no? He remained a competent game manager type QB for most of his career iirc. Alex Smith is the only bust that really worked himself into a player that at least justified his initial pick. It's actually interesting to see how much worse Smith was in SF than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was in Chicago.veganfan21 wrote: The one person that comes to mind is Tannehill. But since there are so few examples I'd say that just reinforces the correct call the original teams made on these guys, that they weren't stars or game changers or anything like that. I think it's more likely that it is incredibly difficult to overcome being a high pick on a team and having it fail there. You either make it in your first job or you have very little chance of making it as anything more than an average starting quarterback.
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
I disagree. If you ruin a guy, he doesn't usually get an opportunity to resurrect his career as a starter. That doesn't mean that the original team was right, it's a product of the league moving on to the next thing. It's unlikely Geno Smith figured things out this year. He was just given an opportunity out of necessity. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was never going to be as talented as Mahomes. His ceiling was good starter, and he needed a lot of development to become that after 5 games starting in college. Nagy misused (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and essentially admitted to being the cause of Fields losing his confidence. But he helped Mahomes cheat on a test, so all is forgiven. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Pace drafted a Pro Bowl QB. He did his job |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 6:13 pm ] |
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IkeSouth wrote: KDdidit wrote: I don't want to talk about the Patrick Mahomes draft Bears passed on Tom Brady too Like 10 times! |
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| Author: | 312player [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 7:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
Nas wrote: Why do the 49ers get a pass for not drafting Mahomes over Thomas? Successful organization, tough to knock their strategy. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Feb 14, 2023 8:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Patrick Mahomes Draft? |
312player wrote: Nas wrote: Why do the 49ers get a pass for not drafting Mahomes over Thomas? Successful organization, tough to knock their strategy. True. They passed on Mahomes and traded 3 first round draft picks and other picks for Trey Lance. They probably would have won at least one Super Bowl if they don't do those things. |
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