The dominant pro-Fields narrative implies Fields is great but is held back by coaching. This suggests that once you remove Fields from his environment he will flourish. Greenberg said as much today and even said the same applied to (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Has this ever happened before? Has any QB been drafted by team X, sucked/was mediocre, then went to team Y and became a Pro Bowler/All Pro/MVP by playing at a level measurably better than the level he played at with the team who drafted him? I can only think of Tannehill but he went on to become a good/solid player at his next step, not necessarily a hall of famer that the Fields apologists think he is.

Greenberg's lazy (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky analogy undermines his argument. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was lucky enough to actually have a clean reset by taking on a fresh new role as starting QB in a new city and new system with new coaches and all that. The result was the same as it was in Chicago. You are what your numbers are basically. I don't see Fields really changing his numbers even if he were to start tomorrow in a new city. This narrative needs to die fast.

Tannehill
Y.A.Tittle
Mayfield headed that way
Goff? I know they made the Super Bowl but he looked on his way out of the starter's job--or at least a bad contract --before the trade

I would imagine someone like Shanahan (or Mike Leach style offense, handful of plays with different looks) could scheme up an offense that would minimize Fields weakness and take full advantage of his strengths.

It might be a hot take but Brock Purdy isn't all that--check the numbers: Purdy's pretty average as a QB in an offense that makes him come across on a superficial level like the 2nd coming of Brady.

If there was a such a thing as terrible coaches holding back QBs, we would have seen (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky do more than play in a backup role in Pittsburgh.

I laughed at some of the commentary about the coaching holding back Fields. Which NFL QB would be considered successful if he continued to miss open receivers because of either lack of vision or inaccurate throws? It has been observed by MANY that Fields continues to miss open receivers downfield in the first two games.

I am sure the coaches have tried to get Fields to look to pass more than run. That is for his own safety long term and for the Bears to have a more balanced offensive attack. If Fields does not see open receivers or is unable to hit them in their hands at a good clip, then I do not care who coaches him. He will suck.

If fairness, Pittsburgh's OC may be the worst in the NFL. Also, some players cannot mentally overcome shitty coaching. It's not just a quarterback thing. Nagy may have ruined 2 of them.

I guess this is the crux of the thread. Are there all pro level QBs out there whose careers were irrevocably changed due to bad coaching? A potential Peyton Manning who ended up being nothing better than a Derek Carr or Delhomme because of bad circumstances? I'm not sure. I mean you need the reps but it's like the more reps you get the more you show who you are. A recent outlier may be Geno Smith but all he's proven is that he's a viable starter, not that he's a franchise savior.

I think with Fields at the very minimum you know he's not a franchise savior. If he was we would have seen signs of that during the 26 or whatever starts he's had. All we've seen is that he's athletic who can make something out of nothing sometimes, not that he can put a team on his back and win games. And he basically confirmed he's allergic to things like diagnosing coverages and making important pre snap decisions about where to go with the ball because he sees it as "too much data and info". But it's precisely that kind of thing that gives QBs an advantage over defenses. To not have any interest on the strategy part of quarterbacking means he just wants to play backyard football, and defenses are too smart and good for that.

Ive never seen a quarterback get so many excuses made for him that I have for Fields . The media is being so fucking dishonest and lazy about him its sickening .

Ive never seen a quarterback get so many excuses made for him that I have for Fields . The media is being so fucking dishonest and lazy about him its sickening .

Never seen it huh? Excuses were made for Cutler. Excuses were made for Mitch. I know you hate seeing the media defend a black guy so much, but stop being so fucking dishonest and lazy.

So like maybe 5ish QBs out of thousands?