There's pedigree and the eye test, too. I think this draft has a potentially great crop of WRs and quarterbacks. Hopefully, we get the best of both.

You watch the games yesterday/last night? How'd Harrison do. I must've missed MHJ carrying his team to a New Year's Bowl. Odunze looked pretty damn good. We'll see him again in a week.

Penix is playing well--as you'd expect a 24 year old 6th year player to do against 18-20 year olds. I don't see a team risking a top 10 1st round pick on Penix--esp with other options available who aren't old dudes approaching retirement age picking apart teenager-rostered defenses

Penix is playing well--as you'd expect a 24 year old 6th year player to do against 18-20 year olds. I don't see a team risking a top 10 1st round pick on Penix--esp with other options available who aren't old dudes approaching retirement age picking apart teenager-rostered defenses

Penix played very well at Indiana of all places and then revived the moribund football program at Washington. I'd certainly look at him closely if I were Poles.

You watch the games yesterday/last night? How'd Harrison do. I must've missed the generational talent MHJ carrying his team to a New Year's Bowl. Odunze looked pretty damn good. We'll see him again in a week.

You certainly don't cavalierly dismiss someone because they're 24. I find that nuts.

You certainly don't cavalierly dismiss someone because they're 24. I find that nuts.

More than age, his throwing motion throws me off. This coming from someone who competed against a lefty brother for a chunk of my life. It just looks too stiff.

I agree about Odunze: His success seems more a product of Penix's skill level than his own innate greatness.

I haven't seen enough of MHJ yet to offer an opinion. I will say, though, that I find the "pedigree" argument unconvincing. It is very rare that the offspring of a great professional athlete turns out to be as good or better than his father.

More than age, his throwing motion throws me off. This coming from someone who competed against a lefty brother for a chunk of my life. It just looks too stiff.

Penix is playing well--as you'd expect a 24 year old 6th year player to do against 18-20 year olds. I don't see a team risking a top 10 1st round pick on Penix--esp with other options available who aren't old dudes approaching retirement age picking apart teenager-rostered defenses

He’s got that Phil Rivers shot put motion.

Ken Griffey Jr?

Dude throws a great deep ball

Hey scout...where you been?

I liked him in indiana, I understand being shy with those knee injuries but I'd take a chance on him.. I dontvthink he'll be there in the 2nd round.

I was more curious why you disappeared from the Jordan Love thread.

Barry Bonds
Moises Alou
Prince Fielder
Peyton & Eli Manning
Roberto Alomar & Sandy Alomar, Jr.
Floyd Mayweather, Jr.

It's rare for great athletes to produce great athletes. That said, MANY talented athletes are the product of athletically talented parents. Football appears to have cracked some code recently. Look at the drafts over the past 5 years or so, and you'll find the children of former players being drafted high and playing well. I don't know if any of them are as physically gifted as MHJ. I don't know if his dad was as physically gifted as this kid is. As we've seen with Fields, your physical tools can only carry you so far.

I'm still a firm believer that Jordan Love Sucks.

The Hulls and we're 2 years away from a 3rd generation of Mannings. I think Clay Matthew's dad or uncle played in the NFL too, but he sucked away his HoF chances at the end.