Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
5. Tom Brady - 12 TD, 3 INT, 2,104 yards, 96.9 rtg (7)
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:00 am ] |
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Through Week 7: 1. Aaron Rodgers - 19 TD, 4 INT, 1,979 yds, 109.6 rtg (7) 2. Matt Ryan - 14 TD, 6 INT, 1,756 yards, 98.8 rtg (6 games) 3. Arian Foster - 659 yds, 10 total TD, 3.9 avg (7) 4. A.J. Green - 44 rec., 636 yds, 7 TD, 14.5 avg (7) 5. Tom Brady - 12 TD, 3 INT, 2,104 yards, 96.9 rtg (7) EDIT: How could I forget Arian Foster? Although, CJ Spiller has been a man. |
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| Author: | spmack [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: 5. Tom Brady - 12 TD, 3 INT, 2,104 yards, 96.9 rtg (7)
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Honorable mention for RGIII? |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
redskingreg wrote: Honorable mention for RGIII? He probably (definitely) ranks higher than Brady, but not in my world. 
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugie, I know this will kill you but you might want to look at Peyton's numbers. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Honorable mention for RGIII? He probably (definitely) ranks higher than Brady, but not in my world. His numbers are pretty solid through 7 games. Leading the NFL in completion percentage is most surprising to me. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Hawg Ass wrote: Ugie, I know this will kill you but you might want to look at Peyton's numbers. Peyton Manning - 14 TD, 4 INT, 1,808 yds, 105.0 rtg. Definitely in the line-up. Again, probably ranked higher than Brady... if it wasn't for Manning-face. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
redskingreg wrote: Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Honorable mention for RGIII? He probably (definitely) ranks higher than Brady, but not in my world. His numbers are pretty solid through 7 games. Leading the NFL in completion percentage is most surprising to me. That'll happen when you throw 6-yard screens. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Honorable mention for RGIII? He probably (definitely) ranks higher than Brady, but not in my world. His numbers are pretty solid through 7 games. Leading the NFL in completion percentage is most surprising to me. That'll happen when you throw 6-yard screens. Right. Except that he has the highest yards per pass attempt in the NFL What else ya got? Brady never gets a ton of completion via short passes, you know, since the Pats don't use their passing game as a running game. (Brady ranks 15th in yards per pass attempt) |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:13 am ] |
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Charles Tillman |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:16 am ] |
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redskingreg wrote: Right. Except that he has the highest yards per pass attempt in the NFL You do realize that statistic includes yardage gained after the catch, right? A 3-yard throw to a RB or WR who then runs for 10 more yards suddenly makes it a 13-yard completion. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:16 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Charles Tillman I will strip punch your nutsack. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Right. Except that he has the highest yards per pass attempt in the NFL You do realize that statistic includes yardage gained after the catch, right? A 3-yard throw to a RB or WR who then runs for 10 more yards suddenly makes it a 13-yard completion. Then why is it called yards per attempt and not per completion? That makes no sense. Regardless, a Brady backer calling out RGIII for throwing short passes is nothing short of laughable. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
redskingreg wrote: Then why is it called yards per attempt and not per completion? That makes no sense. Regardless, a Brady backer calling out RGIII for throwing short passes is nothing short of laughable. Well they very well couldn't accurately track how far a ball is thrown in the air and not completed. They have to go off of actual passing yards, which includes yards after catch. That's why "yards per attempt" is a stat that really means nothing, rather than being a function of completions percentage and actual yards. I wasn't "calling out" anybody. I was merely pointing out that a 70% completion percentage is not surprising when a QB doesn't take many risky throws. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Then why is it called yards per attempt and not per completion? That makes no sense. Regardless, a Brady backer calling out RGIII for throwing short passes is nothing short of laughable. Well they very well couldn't accurately track how far a ball is thrown in the air and not completed. They have to go off of actual passing yards, which includes yards after catch. That's why "yards per attempt" is a stat that really means nothing, rather than being a function of completions percentage and actual yards. I wasn't "calling out" anybody. I was merely pointing out that a 70% completion percentage is not surprising when a QB doesn't take many risky throws. Have you actually watched the Redskins, or are you generalizing that he doesn't take risky throws? He does. it's not all short dump offs and screens. A 70% completion percentage is even more impressive when you couple that with him being a rookie. Look at the bomb Hankerson dropped last Sunday, or Robinson letting the 50-yard pass bounce off his facemask in St. Louis. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:31 am ] |
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redskingreg wrote: Have you actually watched the Redskins, or are you generalizing that he doesn't take risky throws? He does. it's not all short dump offs and screens. A 70% completion percentage is even more impressive when you couple that with him being a rookie. Having previously drafted RG3 in two fantasy leagues, yes, I had an invested interest in Redskins games. I remember seeing him throw a lot of screens and short passes consistent with a college-style offense the Redskins have adopted for their top pick. My point is that completion percentage and yards/attempt shouldn't be the entire basis of your argument. Look at Tim Tebow's stats this season. He's thrown three passes all year but completed two of them. While his completion percentage is lower than RG3's, Tebow's yards/attempt are higher. What does that tell you? |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:32 am ] |
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19 Glorious touchdown passes against highly regarded defenses such as the bears, Texans and 49ers....mostly without the #1 receiver.  Sandow approves. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:05 pm ] |
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Just because I'm bored and have nothing better to do at the moment, let's review the Redskins' Pierre Garcon's receiving numbers. (Note: I acknowledge he is injured) 8 receptions, 153 yards, 15.0 YAC That means in his eight receptions, Garcon averaged 19.1 yards per catch. Applying his average YAC of 15.0 to that number, it is safe to assume that the ball was thrown an average of 4 yards in the air. Now let's look at Fred Davis' numbers, who is currently the leading receiver for the team. (Note: Also injured this week) 24 receptions, 325 yds, 5.9 YAC In his 24 catches, Davis averaged 13.5 yards per reception. Applying his average YAC value, the ball was in the air for approximately 7.5 yards. Santana Moss? 19 rec, 290 yds, 8.0 YAC In 19 receptions, he averaged 15.3 yards. Again, that means the ball was thrown, on average, 7 yards in the air after applying his YAC. All this proves is that, on average, RG3 does not throw the ball very far per completion. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
J.J. Watt is a worthier candidate than Arian Foster. Also, Eli should be in there above Green, Brady or Foster. |
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| Author: | Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:23 pm ] |
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Kirkwood wrote: J.J. Watt is a worthier candidate than Arian Foster. Also, Eli should be in there above Green, Brady or Foster. Eli has 12 TD's and 7 picks? |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Have you actually watched the Redskins, or are you generalizing that he doesn't take risky throws? He does. it's not all short dump offs and screens. A 70% completion percentage is even more impressive when you couple that with him being a rookie. Having previously drafted RG3 in two fantasy leagues, yes, I had an invested interest in Redskins games. I remember seeing him throw a lot of screens and short passes consistent with a college-style offense the Redskins have adopted for their top pick. My point is that completion percentage and yards/attempt shouldn't be the entire basis of your argument. Look at Tim Tebow's stats this season. He's thrown three passes all year but completed two of them. While his completion percentage is lower than RG3's, Tebow's yards/attempt are higher. What does that tell you? It tells me you used a sample size of three to reference completion percentage. Can I reference his 101.8 passer rating? Second only to Rodgers and PManning. How about 468 rush yards? How about his comebacks against Tampa and NY? Granted the D is awful and failed to hold the lead against NYG. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: Kirkwood wrote: J.J. Watt is a worthier candidate than Arian Foster. Also, Eli should be in there above Green, Brady or Foster. Eli has 12 TD's and 7 picks? He's in New York, has comeback victories, led an offense decimated by injuries and Giants are 5-2. Voters eat that shit up. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:54 pm ] |
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Vikings are nowhere if Peterson didn't man up and play at less than 100% |
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| Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Then why is it called yards per attempt and not per completion? That makes no sense. Regardless, a Brady backer calling out RGIII for throwing short passes is nothing short of laughable. Well they very well couldn't accurately track how far a ball is thrown in the air and not completed. They have to go off of actual passing yards, which includes yards after catch. That's why "yards per attempt" is a stat that really means nothing, rather than being a function of completions percentage and actual yards. I wasn't "calling out" anybody. I was merely pointing out that a 70% completion percentage is not surprising when a QB doesn't take many risky throws. Wes Welker is 2nd in the NFL in YAC. The Redskins don't have anyone in the top 30. |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Nowhere in this thread are the words: Cutler, Jerkface, Jagoff nor Jay. |
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| Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:12 pm ] |
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Dave In Champaign wrote: Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote: redskingreg wrote: Then why is it called yards per attempt and not per completion? That makes no sense. Regardless, a Brady backer calling out RGIII for throwing short passes is nothing short of laughable. Well they very well couldn't accurately track how far a ball is thrown in the air and not completed. They have to go off of actual passing yards, which includes yards after catch. That's why "yards per attempt" is a stat that really means nothing, rather than being a function of completions percentage and actual yards. I wasn't "calling out" anybody. I was merely pointing out that a 70% completion percentage is not surprising when a QB doesn't take many risky throws. Wes Welker is 2nd in the NFL in YAC. The Redskins don't have anyone in the top 30. And more to the point, the average air distance of a Brady pass is essentially identical to that of a Griffin pass (click to sort by "AirYPA"). |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
Colonel Angus wrote: Nowhere in this thread are the words: Cutler, Jerkface, Jagoff nor Jay. A guy who is ranked no better than 20th in all major qb statistical categories is not going to be mentioned anywhere near the mvp discussion regardless of team (defensive) success. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:42 pm ] |
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Keeping Score wrote: I feel I'm about as unbiased as it gets around here. I would probably have to go with Rodgers. Yeah it's gotta be him. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MVP Race |
FavreFan wrote: Keeping Score wrote: I feel I'm about as unbiased as it gets around here. I would probably have to go with Rodgers. Yeah it's gotta be him. l am just glad to see 2 wonderfully impartial people comment on this, I would tend to lean that way also. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:18 pm ] |
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Keeping Score wrote: That makes 3.  I guess when you post it on page 1 no one remembers. |
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