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Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Greatest QB You've Ever Seen

Two criteria can apply:

1) Greatest QB over the span of a career (longevity taken into account)

or...

2) Greatest QB at one given time (longevity is irrelevant for this one)

I'll take Peyton Manning for both. Having been born in '84, my true appreciation for sports started in the late '90's/early 2000's...

Favre was great at times, but had too many mistakes. Brady has been great for different periods of time. Rodgers was amazing a couple years ago. Manning stands the test of time. He plays chess and everyone else plays checkers. Whether it's '04 (when he threw for 49 TDs) or right now, Manning is unbelievable. I hope he plays another 10 years. I love watching this motherfucker.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:01 pm ]
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His playoffs record leaves much to be desired, but I'd agree that he the best in the last 20 years.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:02 pm ]
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I cant forgive him for all the early career playoff losses.


He wasnt just decent and they lost. He was horrible.




Ill take Joe Montana

Author:  Nas [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:05 pm ]
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Elway
Brady
Montana
Peyton
Marino
Favre

Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:08 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant forgive him for all the early career playoff losses.


He wasnt just decent and they lost. He was horrible.

Ill take Joe Montana



Image

As long as Jerry Rice is part of the deal.


If Manning wins a Super Bowl with Denver, will that be the first NFL QB to win Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:11 pm ]
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Too young to have seen most of Montana's work.

I will go with:
Brady
Favre

Peyton imo is a regular season stat whore.

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:11 pm ]
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#2 is Jeff George.

I was sitting in the 3rd row at midfield when he rolled left and threw on the run from the 42 on a rope to the opposite corner of the end zone and hit Mike Bellamy on the hands.

Greatest throw I've ever seen.

Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:12 pm ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant forgive him for all the early career playoff losses.


He wasnt just decent and they lost. He was horrible.

Ill take Joe Montana



Image

As long as Jerry Rice is part of the deal.


If Manning wins a Super Bowl with Denver, will that be the first NFL QB to win Super Bowls with 2 different teams.


Cmon now

Image

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:13 pm ]
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Elway

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:13 pm ]
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I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?

Author:  Nas [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:14 pm ]
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Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
Too young to have seen most of Montana's work.

I will go with:
Brady
Favre

Peyton imo is a regular season stat whore.


It matters what you do in the postseason and he has routinely choked. That trend probably continues if Danielle Manning doesn't blow the coverage and Benson holds onto the ball.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:15 pm ]
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Manning or Rodgers.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:15 pm ]
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Did more with less and did it in a more defensive time.

Author:  Nas [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:16 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:16 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:17 pm ]
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Nas is my football soul mate.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:18 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?

Anything to do with qbs.

Author:  Furious Styles [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:19 pm ]
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Saw Montana at Lambeau Field in the early '90s. He was amazing.

Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:20 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

I was sitting in the 3rd row at midfield .


we're happy for ya.

Author:  Nas [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:21 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?


Every objective list. This eras stats will diminish past greatness. No one (even his family) would argue Stafford is a great QB but according to the stats he has the most yards over a 50 game period in NFL history.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:21 pm ]
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Elway's career-high in TD passes was 27 in 1997. Peyton Manning came within one the next year (his rookie year) in 1998.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:22 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?


Every objective list. This eras stats will diminish past greatness. No one (even his family) would argue Stafford is a great QB but according to the stats he has the most yards over a 50 game period in NFL history.


OK... I don't necessarily disagree - stats lie - but can you show me a couple of these "objective" lists?

Author:  Urlacher's missing neck [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:23 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote:
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Bart Starr
Lynn Dickey
Don Majkowski


Image

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:23 pm ]
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Best QB:
Steve Young

Best Arm:
Dan Pastorini
Doug Williams
Jeff George

Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:25 pm ]
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NearWessSideHussra wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

I was sitting in the 3rd row at midfield .


we're happy for ya.


Just sayin'. It happened 40 feet in front of me.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:25 pm ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Best QB:
Steve Young

Best Arm:
Dan Pastorini
Doug Williams
Jeff George


Michael Bishop was the greatest arm I've ever seen.

Author:  Brick [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:27 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?
You have to adjust for the current QB friendly era. Otherwise:
Philip Rivers: TD's.......200....INT's....95 in 9.25 seasons = 21.62 td's a season, 10.27

Take that out to 16 seasons to compare and we have 346 touchdowns for Rivers and 164 interceptions.

Is Philip Rivers that much better than Elway?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:34 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

***

One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?
You have to adjust for the current QB friendly era. Otherwise:
Philip Rivers: TD's.......200....INT's....95 in 9.25 seasons = 21.62 td's a season, 10.27

Take that out to 16 seasons to compare and we have 346 touchdowns for Rivers and 164 interceptions.

Is Philip Rivers that much better than Elway?


No, I certainly agree that you have to adjust for the era. Manning's stats are overwhelmingly better than Elway's, so let's take a better comparison...

Marino had 420 and 252. He had 120 more TD's and 26 more INT's than Elway. Shouldn't he be in the conversation, too, then?

Let me also note that Manning started his career the year Elway retired, so it's not like we're talking about generations apart...

Author:  Nas [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:39 pm ]
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Over the past 17 years the rules in the NFL have drastically changed to the benefit of Peyton. Also the talent he has played with is probably 2nd to Montana.

Author:  Brick [ Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:42 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
No, I certainly agree that you have to adjust for the era. Manning's stats are overwhelmingly better than Elway's, so let's take a better comparison...

Marino had 420 and 252. He had 120 more TD's and 26 more INT's than Elway. Shouldn't he be in the conversation, too, then?
Fair or not, winning at least one ring matters.
leashyourkids wrote:
Let me also note that Manning started his career the year Elway retired, so it's not like we're talking about generations apart...
We are though. QB's who are highly unlikely to make the hall of fame are putting up better numbers than they even expected of QB's in the 90s or before.

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